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10 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

What clued you in, the inexplicable spring training benching? 

Get over it already.   Buck has had nothing but good things to say this winter.    I'm willing to bet that Kim will get 500-ish PA in 2017.

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2 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

I haven't looked at the numbers since they picked up Castillo but pretty sure he was at the bottom of the league in 2014-2015 when taking everything into account.

Castillo rWAR 14/15 was 1.8 and 1.1.  Wieters didn't top 1 either year.

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14 minutes ago, Frobby said:

Get over it already.   Buck has had nothing but good things to say this winter.    I'm willing to bet that Kim will get 500-ish PA in 2017.

I agree that he is cool with Kim, but not sure he gets 500 PA. I never thought I'd say this, but I'm intrigued by Bautista on a one year deal. Last year we tried an experiment and it failed: build a lineup with all power. This year we could try a new experiment with OBP. Kim, Manny, Davis, Smith all have good OBP's....now what if we added Bautista to that mix? This would give us five guys with excellent OBP's. Bautista primary DH, plays field against some LH and Mancini DH. As long as we are saying the "heck with defense" again this year, we might as well try this out.

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1 hour ago, theobird said:

OK, I will bite. Castillo for Wieters is a net loss. Wieters is far superior defensively at a premium defensive position. Lineup? Offensively they may have held serve, but after all it is about scoring more runs than you allow. So in my mind, that one is a net negative. I like the Gallardo trade for Smith. It remains to be seen who we drop off in place of Seth, but the team still needs to add a defensive minded outfielder to add to the mix, and preferably a guy who can leadoff and get on base.

Matt Wieters isn't far superior to anyone defensively anymore. 

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27 minutes ago, pastorfan said:

I agree that he is cool with Kim, but not sure he gets 500 PA. I never thought I'd say this, but I'm intrigued by Bautista on a one year deal. Last year we tried an experiment and it failed: build a lineup with all power. This year we could try a new experiment with OBP. Kim, Manny, Davis, Smith all have good OBP's....now what if we added Bautista to that mix? This would give us five guys with excellent OBP's. Bautista primary DH, plays field against some LH and Mancini DH. As long as we are saying the "heck with defense" again this year, we might as well try this out.

Bautista. Old, no arm, expensive, poor range, costs a pick. No thanks.

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There are all kinds of possibilities. This is like DD being in a candy store.   Between Pagan, Moss, Saunders, Rasmus, Alvarez, Bautista, Granderson, etc. etc.  there could be all kinds of moves yet to come.  But I think all of them are now waiting on the decision regarding whether the Trumbo is in our future or not.  

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5 hours ago, pastorfan said:

I agree that he is cool with Kim, but not sure he gets 500 PA. I never thought I'd say this, but I'm intrigued by Bautista on a one year deal. Last year we tried an experiment and it failed: build a lineup with all power. This year we could try a new experiment with OBP. Kim, Manny, Davis, Smith all have good OBP's....now what if we added Bautista to that mix? This would give us five guys with excellent OBP's. Bautista primary DH, plays field against some LH and Mancini DH. As long as we are saying the "heck with defense" again this year, we might as well try this out.

Considering the value of the pick that we'd have to give up, signing Bautista to a 1-year deal would be a really bad move, IMO, unless you are talking no more than five million or so - which Bautista would never consider.  Heck, he thought the 3/$82 that the Blue Jays reportedly offered last year was an insult.  I'm not in favor of Bautista at all, but I know Tony is.  Tony wants him on a 3-year deal, though, which spreads the lost value of giving up the pick out a bit.  Of course, at Bautista's age, there are other risks involved with longer contracts.  Frankly, I can't even see him agreeing on a multi-year deal at an amount that any team would consider sensible.  I think Bautista has a very real chance of remaining unsigned until June, when the draft pick compensation would drop off.  Or perhaps he may have to bite the bullet and sign a discounted 1-year deal with the Blue Jays, since they won't lose a pick and they would be staring at not receiving one, either, if no other team will sign him.  In any case, it is apparent that Bautista and his representation misjudged the market in a large way.

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