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1 hour ago, Frobby said:

Didn't take new Nats closer Blake Treinen long to blow one.   We're very lucky.    

Their bullpen allowed all 4 runs in a 4 to 3 loss - which made me smile.  Give us Robles.  

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4 minutes ago, Ruzious said:

Their bullpen allowed all 4 runs in a 4 to 3 loss - which made me smile.  Give us Robles.  

some posters think any pitcher can close, and in reality they can't.

It really takes a special mentality to be a closer.

Blake might just be fine in the role, time will tell.

Closers have long given managers ulcers. Lord knows how many times Weaver said he prayed for a 1-2-3 inning to give his ulcer a night off. :)

I think Britton of last year spoiled us last year by being so darn good.

 

 

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45 minutes ago, Redskins Rick said:

some posters think any pitcher can close, and in reality they can't.

It really takes a special mentality to be a closer.

Blake might just be fine in the role, time will tell.

Closers have long given managers ulcers. Lord knows how many times Weaver said he prayed for a 1-2-3 inning to give his ulcer a night off. :)

I think Britton of last year spoiled us last year by being so darn good.

 

 

Pretty sure no one has said that. Some of us just feel the pool of potential closers is substantially larger.

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38 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Pretty sure no one has said that. Some of us just feel the pool of potential closers is substantially larger.

Potential pool might be larger, but not enough that every MLB has a solid closer.

What was the league average, 85% save rate?

How many mlb teams last year, fell under that rate?

 

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1 minute ago, Redskins Rick said:

Potential pool might be larger, but not enough that every MLB has a solid closer.

What was the league average, 85% save rate?

How many mlb teams last year, fell under that rate?

 

Average usually is 85-87 among closers with 20+ saves.   Of course, that doesn't count all the guys who were tried as closers and failed, and therefore didn't reach 20 saves.    

Closers are held to a high standard.  Brad Brach had 24 holds, 2 saves and 5 blown saves last year.   Convert those holds to saves and his save rate would have been 83.8% and we'd be calling for his head!    Instead, he was an all-star setup man.   

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8 minutes ago, RZNJ said:

 

Setup men tend to come in to tougher situations than closers, for the most part.   You can see a setup man come int with a one run lead, the bases loaded, and no outs.   You seldom see a closer in that type of situation which is why setup men typically have high totals in blown saves.

Set up men don't tend to come in to tougher situations. They tend to come in for the 8th. 

 

As as for the original question, there is a saying, "there's no such thing as a stupid question", the OP has found an exception. 

 

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Just a few other thoughts.   As mentioned, Brach had an 83.8% "save rate" last year (including non-save "hold" situations).   Darren O'Day is at 86.2% as an Oriole.   Jim Johnson was at 84.7% as our closer in 2013 and people were ready to string him up on a tree.   

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3 minutes ago, RZNJ said:

Guess I'll have to do some research.   I would guess that setup men come in with men on base much more often than closers to.    

I'm sure that is true, though it depends a bit on how you define setup man.   But you have a good point.    Closers don't often get asked to clean up other pitchers' messes.   

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Just now, RZNJ said:

Anyone know where to find a stat on inherited runners?    Again, I would guess that Brach, Givens, and O'Day inherited more runners than Britton did but I have no proof just yet.

It's in BB-ref, under advanced pitching stats, relief pitching.  Here's a link for O'Day, for example: http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/o/odayda01-pitch.shtml.   He has inherited 137 runners in 5 years.    So you have a very good point there.   

One countervailing point: setup guys can get bailed out, while closers generally don't.    And setup guys may only be asked to get 1-2 outs, which rarely happens for closers.   

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1 minute ago, RZNJ said:

Guess I'll have to do some research.   I would guess that setup men come in with men on base much more often than closers to.    

A tendency and "for the most part" indicate things that happen with regularity. A different way to look at it would be that they're "more likely" to come in with men on, then you'd have to place a value on that irregular pressure and weigh it against the pressure (save situations) that our manager believes is significantly different than any other. Buck describes the save situation as if it's an entity unto itself, a game separate from the rest - distinguished, primarily, by its immense pressure. 

Do you have a client named Brad, by any chance? 

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10 minutes ago, RZNJ said:

Anyone know where to find a stat on inherited runners?    Again, I would guess that Brach, Givens, and O'Day inherited more runners than Britton did but I have no proof just yet.

http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/stats?season=2016&category=PITCHING+RELIEF&group=1&sort=15&time=0&pos=0&qual=1&sortOrder=0&splitType=128

 

this should have it, all the way to the right

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