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10 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

It says that while OPACY increases home runs it decreases other types of offense.  For instance OPACY is a terrible park for hitting triples.

How do Camden compare to other parks?   Better hitters park.  Worst hitters park?

I am not sure the analysis supplied tells that.

I think the analysis is a comparison of the team not the park.

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2 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

I don't think anyone said it is the worst hitters park.

This all started because I said its a hitter's park.    Others disagreed.   In order to know if its a hitter's park it has to be compared to other parks.  

No one is saying its the worst hitters park.

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13 minutes ago, wildcard said:

This all started because I said its a hitter's park.    Others disagreed.   In order to know if its a hitter's park it has to be compared to other parks.  

No one is saying its the worst hitters park.

It depends on who is analyzing the data and the methodology employed. You can find analysis to support your claim that OPACY is a hitters' park.

bbref is not infallible: they purport the virgin birth of the MFY franchise, after all.

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So far this year the most homers in the AL have been hit a Camden Yards -210 homers.

So far this year the 5th most runs have been scored at Camden Yards - 637 runs    The top park are:

Minn

Tex

Det

Oak

Balt

Camden Yards is 5th out of 15 team in the AL un run scored in the park so far this year.

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1 hour ago, wildcard said:

How do Camden compare to other parks?   Better hitters park.  Worst hitters park?

I am not sure the analysis supplied tells that.

I think the analysis is a comparison of the team not the park.

That makes little sense to me.    The number of runs scored at a park is highly dependent on the nature of the team that plays there.    If you've got a team with great hitting and lousy pitching, a lot of runs are going to be scored in that park by both the home team and it's opponent.    But if that team plays 81 road games and scores and allies fewer runs on the road than at home, that tells you that their home ballpark is a hitter's park.     Whether the team is a good or bad road team is mostly beside the point, because if they're a bad road team they'll both score fewer runs on the road and allow more runs on the road.    So, it's the total of the two (runs scored and runs allowed) at home vs. on the road that gives some insight into whether the ballpark benefits hitters or pitchers.     

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27 minutes ago, Frobby said:

That makes little sense to me.    The number of runs scored at a park is highly dependent on the nature of the team that plays there.    If you've got a team with great hitting and lousy pitching, a lot of runs are going to be scored in that park by both the home team and it's opponent.    But if that team plays 81 road games and scores and allies fewer runs on the road than at home, that tells you that their home ballpark is a hitter's park.     Whether the team is a good or bad road team is mostly beside the point, because if they're a bad road team they'll both score fewer runs on the road and allow more runs on the road.    So, it's the total of the two (runs scored and runs allowed) at home vs. on the road that gives some insight into whether the ballpark benefits hitters or pitchers.     

I agree that the number of runs scored reflects the makeup of the teams offense and pitching.    However I don't agree that the home and away totals say much about the parks.  The team could just be a bad road team..  The O's have  a 740 OPS away and a 788 OPS at home.  Is that a reflection of the team or the parks?   I am not sure.

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7 minutes ago, wildcard said:

I agree that the number are runs scored reflects the makeup of the teams offense and pitching.    However I don't agree that the home and away totals say much about the parks.  The team could just be a bad road team..  The O's have  a 740 OPS away and a 788 OPS at home.  Is that a reflection of the team or the parks?   I am not sure.

That's why you look at both runs scored and runs allowed, rather than focusing on one or the other.    In any event, I don't know of a better way to determine if a park favors hitters or pitchers other than the method I described.   

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1 hour ago, thezeroes said:

http://www.espn.com/mlb/stats/parkfactor

Through August 23, 2017.  Read and enjoy.

Outside of the extreme cases, park factors seem a bit squirrelly for all the various reasons that folks have brought up. That said, other than not being particularly friendly to fly ball pitchers, it seems like OPACY is kinda run of the mill.

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Just now, Chavez Ravine said:

Outside of the extreme cases, park factors seem a bit squirrelly for all the various reasons that folks have brought up. That said, other than not being particularly friendly to fly ball pitchers, it seems like OPACY is kinda run of the mill.

Exactly. No reason for a FA SP not to want to sign here. Not like Coors, or Chase or Target.

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6 minutes ago, Frobby said:

That's why you look at both runs scored and runs allowed, rather than focusing on one or the other.    In any event, I don't know of a better way to determine if a park favors hitters or pitchers other than the method I described.   

I think we would have to look at parks over years.  Fenway has been looked at as a homer run/high scoring park for years.  But now the Red Sox are not built to hit homers and the pitching staff is  much better than it has been so Fenway is one of the lowest scoring parks in the league.

The team has a lot to do with the way the park plays.

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5 minutes ago, wildcard said:

I think we would have to look at parks over years.  Fenway has been looked at as a homer run/high scoring park for years.  But now the Red Sox are not built to hit homers and the pitching staff is  much better than it has been so Fenway is one of the lowest scoring parks in the league.

The team has a lot to do with the way the park plays.

That is why you look at both home and road.    

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