Will the Orioles have three new starters from outside the organization next season?

[Ripken]

I've really wanted to trade Britton for a starter.  Maybe we can finally do that.  There will be enough money to get one decent starter.  I'd love to swap Trumbo for a #5 starter type.  I think some of the money coming off the books goes to Schoop.... so, hey, if they really have no hope of signing Manny, move him for all the arms you can get.

[Tx Oriole]

14 hours ago, OriolesMagic83 said:

Its crazy to talk of trading Gausman.  The O's only have 2 ML starters signed for next year-Bundy and Gausman.  If the O's trade Gausman they need 4 ML starters not 3.  Gausman has the potential to be a good #2 and frequently shows flashes of that ability.  Do you want to fill out the rotation w/ 4 Mileys or Hellicksons? 

I would hope the O's sign at least 1 above average starter this offseason.  I'm tired of the O's dumpster diving for starters and ending up w/ pitchers like Miley, Hellickson and Ubaldo.  If the O's had 3 above average starter this season, they would probably be right on Boston's heels for the division and have the wild card sewn up.

Well that dumpster diver will be around till 2018. I am so ready for DD and Buck to say adios. 

[Can_of_corn]

1 minute ago, Black Bat said:

I don't think it's unfeasible (word?) to see the Orioles take a different direction seeing that the dumpster diving nets very little in return.  They are very aware of spending too much on SP's that can go flat but at the same time there are numerous recent examples of TOR FA's elevating a staff.  Maybe now is the time to add such an arm to lead a young staff in preparation and execution.  It might be a less risky proposition than spending several 10-17M contracts on mediocre pitchers.  PA can't be thrilled with the results the past 3-5 years with these re-treads.

Lord knows they clear a lot of salary when Miley, Hellickson, Ubaldo and Tillman depart.  Maybe another approach is not sign a pricey SP at all.  Now is the time and work with the prospects moving up next season.  Throw in Castro and a few AAA arms and work toward moving Jones, Davis and Trumbo at any cost.  Davis is likely impossible, I know. 

I know this isn't a popular direction but you could save a few bucks toward extending Manny, Schoop and perhaps Beckham.  I just don't see a bright future with the continued Band-Aid approach keeping these aging unproductive players in the fold.  

It's infeasible.

 

[Roll Tide]

22 hours ago, joelala said:

I think we'll bring back either Miley or Hellickson. 

I expect them to bring back Tillman and hope for a rebound and Hellickson on the cheap. I do expect them to cut ties with Miley and Jimenez. They just aren't giving up on Gausman. He if they do all of this and add a new LH starter I think it's a lot by their standards.

[wildcard]

I am betting that Tillman willing be in the O's training camp next spring.

[wildcard]

35 minutes ago, Roll Tide said:

I expect them to bring back Tillman and hope for a rebound and Hellickson on the cheap. I do expect them to cut ties with Miley and Jimenez. They just aren't giving up on Gausman. He if they do all of this and add a new LH starter I think it's a lot by their standards.

I don't know why they would bring Hellickson back.

[El Gordo]

Cobb. Bundy, Gausman, Castro, Ganzalez

[hoosiers]

In the Os team construct as it is for 2018 right now, we would have to take the payroll into the $170M range if we actually picked up a 2 WAR type of pitcher.  That is crazy numbers IMO - a waste of a payroll on a possible .500 team.  We would have to keep Trumbo, Davis, Britton, Manny and others. 

I would not trade Gausman.  Too much upside. 

Our 4/5 pitchers are going to be $1M-$5M guys just like this year. 

Other options open up if we can deal Manny, Britton, Trumbo, Davis or others - which I don't see happening.  The best way to get a 2 WAR pitcher for next year would probably involve swapping Hays for an equivalent pitcher. 

I'd prefer to see us deal both Manny and Britton and go young next year with Hays, Mullins and others plus the haul from Manny and ZB - which might make us more competitive than some think.  Especially since we would have $ to go sign a couple SPs. 

[Il BuonO]

2 hours ago, Black Bat said:

I don't think it's unfeasible (word?) to see the Orioles take a different direction seeing that the dumpster diving nets very little in return.  They are very aware of spending too much on SP's that can go flat but at the same time there are numerous recent examples of TOR FA's elevating a staff.  Maybe now is the time to add such an arm to lead a young staff in preparation and execution.  It might be a less risky proposition than spending several 10-17M contracts on mediocre pitchers.  PA can't be thrilled with the results the past 3-5 years with these re-treads.

 

It's not incomprehensible....

And no it's not. Whether they do or not....well.

[wildcard]

1 hour ago, hoosiers said:

In the Os team construct as it is for 2018 right now, we would have to take the payroll into the $170M range if we actually picked up a 2 WAR type of pitcher.  That is crazy numbers IMO - a waste of a payroll on a possible .500 team.  We would have to keep Trumbo, Davis, Britton, Manny and others. 

I would not trade Gausman.  Too much upside. 

Our 4/5 pitchers are going to be $1M-$5M guys just like this year. 

Other options open up if we can deal Manny, Britton, Trumbo, Davis or others - which I don't see happening.  The best way to get a 2 WAR pitcher for next year would probably involve swapping Hays for an equivalent pitcher. 

I'd prefer to see us deal both Manny and Britton and go young next year with Hays, Mullins and others plus the haul from Manny and ZB - which might make us more competitive than some think.  Especially since we would have $ to go sign a couple SPs. 

I think Mullins needs to start next year at AAA.  He slumped pretty badly toward the end of the AA season.

170m is right where the O's are right now.   They probably have the offense, defense and pen to be a much better team.  They need to upgrade the starters and they are a playoff team.

[Can_of_corn]

1 minute ago, wildcard said:

I think Mullins needs to start next year at AAA.  He slumped pretty badly toward the end of the AA season.

170m is right where the O's are right now.   They probably have the offense, defense and pen to be a much better team.  They need to upgrade the starters and they are a playoff team.

Other than Manny I'm not impressed by the defense. 

[Il BuonO]

1 hour ago, Can_of_corn said:

Other than Manny I'm not impressed by the defense. 

Rickard has done a good job in RF and is +10 DRS in the OF this year. Surprisingly, Mancini has been above average in LF (+3)  compared to 1B. Although, I'm not sure he was ever considered above average at 1B.

Two straight seasons well below average for Jones. Maybe time for that move to RF.

[Can_of_corn]

4 minutes ago, Il BuonO said:

Rickard has done a good job in RF and is +10 DRS in the OF this year. Surprisingly, Mancini has been above average in LF (+3)  compared to 1B. Although, I'm not sure he was ever considered above average at 1B.

Two straight seasons well below average for Jones. Maybe time for that move to RF.

I have a hard time with the idea that Mancini is above average in the outfield.

[Il BuonO]

1 minute ago, Can_of_corn said:

I have a hard time with the idea that Mancini is above average in the outfield.

Doesn't look pretty, but he's made some plays.

[Can_of_corn]

1 minute ago, Il BuonO said:

Doesn't look pretty, but he's made some plays.

He makes slightly difficult plays looks very difficult.