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If Tillman repeated his 2016 year the O's may be in the playoffs in 2017

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Another poster pointed out ...... since the 2012 season, so goes Tillman, so go the Orioles.

I believe that there is a fairly strong correlation, although that are/were numerous other factors in the team's successes and failures throughout these seasons.

 

2012: llllll Solid Season for Tillman .......... Solid Season for the Orioles l (93-69.)

2013: llllll Solid Season for Tillman l.......... Solid Season for the Orioles l (85-77.)

2014: llllll Solid Season for Tillman l.......... Solid Season for the Orioles l (96-66.)

2015: ll.lll Bad Season for Tillman ............ Mediocre Season for the Orioles l (81-81.)

2016: lll..l Solid Season for Tillman l.......... Solid Season for the Orioles l (89-73.)

2017: lllllll Awful Season for Tillman .......... Sub-Par Season for the Orioles l (75-84.)

 

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I agree it might not be 15 but I think its closer to 10-13 games between Tillman in 2016-2017.

Reasons:

The offense scored slightly more runs in 2017

The amount of unearned runs which reflects defense in 2 high in 2017

The pen won two games less in 2017 and lost 3 more.

The big difference was Tillman's wins and ERA in games that he pitched.

 

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I know I've said this before, but Chris & Chris made the difference between this team being in the hunt and on the sidelines. If Tillman and Davis had put up average seasons for them, we'd have had a much better season.

Moral of the story? Don't name your kid Chris. 

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8 hours ago, ArtVanDelay said:

No.  Just no.  Tillman is not single handedly responsible for a “15 game drop”.  That is absurd.  Pitcher wins and losses mean nothing.  He was worth 2.4 fWAR last year and -0.9 this year.  That’s a 3.3 game drop. 

I also think it was a little bigger than a 3 game impact because replacement level isn't uniform.  The Orioles pitching depth was so poor that we've given 30 some other starts to BELOW replacement level pitchers.  60 some if you count Miley, but his -0.1 WAR is basically at replacement level.

That said, the Twins are heading towards beating us by 10 games so I don't think even good Tillman would have gotten us more than halfway there.

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