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Should the O's look to trade Jones and Schoop to the Angels?

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6 minutes ago, Frobby said:

Because we shouldn’t trade him until his trade value has dwindled down to nothing?

I think people fail to understand that (1) a player with 1.7 seasons remaining has a lot more value than a player with one season or less, and (2) looking at this team, we’re more than a year away from being back to contention.    

I’d definitely consider trading Schoop if the return was good.   

Yes. Maybe even with Manny. 

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I know that many here condone an all out fire sale. Not me. I still remember last year, Schoop put up better numbers than Manny. Keep him. I'd like to re sign Manny also, but I believe our ownership and management will continue their tradition of bad deals and let Manny go.

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9 minutes ago, Natty said:

I know that many here condone an all out fire sale. Not me. I still remember last year, Schoop put up better numbers than Manny. Keep him. I'd like to re sign Manny also, but I believe our ownership and management will continue their tradition of bad deals and let Manny go.

Sell 'em all. I think at this point any hopes for Manny or Schoop back are fools gold.  

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39 minutes ago, weams said:

Sell 'em all. I think at this point any hopes for Manny or Schoop back are fools gold.  

What player have we failed to re sign since Mussina?  

Cruz and Miller were essentially rentals. 

Matt Wieters?  A C with diminishing skills, that we atcually did keep on a 1/17.2 contract. 

Chen?  He got crazy 6 year deal, with an opt out, from Miami. We don’t do that length or opt outs. 

Nick Markakis?  We let him go after giving him one big extension.  

 

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If the plan with the FO is to trade Manny, I just do not see them trading Jones.  That would be trading the 2 major faces of the franchise at this point.  While I certainly would given the state of things, I don't think our FO will do something with optics like that.  My guess is: if we trade one, we won't trade the other.

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20 hours ago, O's are Legends said:

 

Hey Roy, with all due respect I'm confused. In this thread, it's hell no, but in another thread it's I would let him walk.

We all know the O's are going anywhere this year and thus I recommend the O's seek out trades for AJ as well as Schoop who the O's should have already signed to a extension but now may be getting too expensive and only has the rest of this year and next left on his contract. I am not for "dumping" Schoop at Montgomery Ward clearance prices but only for worthwhile trades which would allow the O's to reload for the future.

I'm pretty sure he's answering to the trade Jones AND Schoop. 

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What all this analysis seems to miss is that Jones at this point is not a very valuable player. If they can get any kind of decent return for him they should take it, assuming he approves the deal. Schoop on the other hand has real value, although the start to his season might have lowered it somewhat.

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4 hours ago, crawjo said:

What all this analysis seems to miss is that Jones at this point is not a very valuable player. If they can get any kind of decent return for him they should take it, assuming he approves the deal. Schoop on the other hand has real value, although the start to his season might have lowered it somewhat.

I don't believe Schoop's slow start has hurt his value one iota.

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9 hours ago, Beef Supreme said:

I don't believe Schoop's slow start has hurt his value one iota.

 

1 hour ago, weams said:

It has destroyed it for now. 

Neither of these things are true.   Schoop still has good trade value, but not as much as if he had gotten off to a good start.   

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10 minutes ago, Frobby said:

 

Neither of these things are true.   Schoop still has good trade value, but not as much as if he had gotten off to a good start.   

I question how much on an impact small sample size performance has on trade value in this age. 

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48 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

I question how much on an impact small sample size performance has on trade value in this age. 

Rationally, it shouldn’t.   But there’s always going to be some concern that a guy isn’t going to perform up to previous levels.   Besides, Schoop hasn’t been the most consistent guy year to year.   

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3 minutes ago, Frobby said:

Rationally, it shouldn’t.   But there’s always going to be some concern that a guy isn’t going to perform up to previous levels.   Besides, Schoop hasn’t been the most consistent guy year to year.   

I agree and that overall trend is going to have an impact.  I don't think any team is going to just look at 2017 anymore than they would put a lot of weight on his 2018 numbers.

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