Extend Dan and Buck... Now

[Redskins Rick]

Just now, wildbillhiccup said:

I think you might be in the minority on this. If he had worked his way up through system (degree or no degree) I would have a much higher opinion of him. But he went straight from MLB player to Special Assistant to the Executive President of Baseball Operations and a year later Vice President of Baseball Operations. That's a pretty big leap. Going back to your Casserly comparison, he started out as a scout and worked his way up the ladder. Brady was gifted his position, he didn't earn it. He hasn't earned anything. 

Wow, so he was special assistance, glorified name for a go-fer.

Then V-P, why the fancy title? Who knows, but he must be doing something right, to still be there, I would hope if he was just loafing and collecting a check and causing problems, then they would send him packing.

[Can_of_corn]

3 minutes ago, wildbillhiccup said:

We're talking about his front office career not his playing career. 

So he was a grinder/tough guy as a player but a bonus baby as a front office guy?

That doesn't make sense to me.

[wildbillhiccup]

1 minute ago, Redskins Rick said:

Wow, so he was special assistance, glorified name for a go-fer.

Then V-P, why the fancy title? Who knows, but he must be doing something right, to still be there, I would hope if he was just loafing and collecting a check and causing problems, then they would send him packing.

I know you're being sarcastic, but he didn't exactly work his way to the top. It's more like he took the express elevator. 

[Can_of_corn]

5 minutes ago, wildbillhiccup said:

I think you might be in the minority on this. If he had worked his way up through system (degree or no degree) I would have a much higher opinion of him. But he went straight from MLB player to Special Assistant to the Executive President of Baseball Operations and a year later Vice President of Baseball Operations. That's a pretty big leap. Going back to your Casserly comparison, he started out as a scout and worked his way up the ladder. Brady was gifted his position, he didn't earn it. He hasn't earned anything. 

No he didn't.

He stopped playing in 2002.

I know he was working as a physical trainer for players, including Orioles for at least a few years before accepting the job with the O's.

[Redskins Rick]

1 minute ago, wildbillhiccup said:

I know you're being sarcastic, but he didn't exactly work his way to the top. It's more like he took the express elevator. 

what was Flanny doing before his got his FO gig? Matt Millen in NFL, before the Lions hired him as GM?

You dont hear stories about the FO coworker being jealous. You dont hear the players complaining about Brady.

Other than OH, when people can be overly critical, do they say his name as if he was a child molester or a leeper.

[wildbillhiccup]

1 minute ago, Can_of_corn said:

So he was a grinder/tough guy as a player but a bonus baby as a front office guy?

That doesn't make sense to me.

Everything we've read says Brady inserts himself where he wants to insert himself with very little accountability. He might have been a grinder as a player, but I really don't get the sense that's carried over to his "in the warehouse" career. I think he gravitates to what he knows, which is trying to help / work with players and share his baseball knowledge. I don't necessarily think that is the most important quality for GM to possess.  

[Can_of_corn]

Just now, wildbillhiccup said:

Everything we've read says Brady inserts himself where he wants to insert himself with very little accountability. He might have been a grinder as a player, but I really don't get the sense that's carried over to his "in the warehouse" career. I think he gravitates to what he knows, which is trying to help / work with players and share his baseball knowledge. I don't necessarily think that is the most important quality for GM to possess.  

I'm not saying I want Brady as GM.

I'm just saying he doesn't strike me as you have characterized him.

[wildbillhiccup]

Just now, Redskins Rick said:

what was Flanny doing before his got his FO gig? Matt Millen in NFL, before the Lions hired him as GM?

You dont hear stories about the FO coworker being jealous. You dont hear the players complaining about Brady.

Other than OH, when people can be overly critical, do they say his name as if he was a child molester or a leeper.

I mean, we all suspect that he's the architect behind assembling the worst team in Orioles history. We can definitely hold him accountable for the Cashner and Cobb signings, because they both personally thank him. And we suspect he had a hand in the Davis and Trumbo signings as well. If you're going to wear the crown you have to be willing to take credit for the good and the bad. 

[wildbillhiccup]

1 minute ago, Can_of_corn said:

I'm not saying I want Brady as GM.

I'm just saying he doesn't strike me as you have characterized him.

Don't worry. I've read enough of your posts to know that you like a good debate so I'm taking your comments with a grain of salt. 

[wildbillhiccup]

4 minutes ago, Redskins Rick said:

what was Flanny doing before his got his FO gig? Matt Millen in NFL, before the Lions hired him as GM?

You dont hear stories about the FO coworker being jealous. You dont hear the players complaining about Brady.

Other than OH, when people can be overly critical, do they say his name as if he was a child molester or a leeper.

Flanagan's another bad comparison. He spent time as a pitching coach before making the leap to the front office. 

[weams]

6 hours ago, wildbillhiccup said:

That's simply not a true statement. I'd say about 75% of the current GMs have played baseball at some level (high school, college, minors, majors, etc.). And that's probably a conservative estimate. 

High school and college are a long way from the 800 that really play.

[wildbillhiccup]

1 minute ago, weams said:

High school and college are a long way from the 800 that really play.

The vast majority of GMs never played at the MLB level. I'm sure there are others, but DiPoto and Stewart are the only two I can think of off the top of my head. I think playing at the MLB level is a much more important prerequisite for a manager than a GM. 

[weams]

3 minutes ago, wildbillhiccup said:

The vast majority of GMs never played at the MLB level. I'm sure there are others, but DiPoto and Stewart are the only two I can think of off the top of my head. I think playing at the MLB level is a much more important prerequisite for a manager than a GM. 

I do too. 

[Frobby]

25 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

I'm not saying I want Brady as GM.

I'm just saying he doesn't strike me as you have characterized him.

Honestly, I think we have virtually no idea how Brady is perceived by others in the front office, or what experience he’s had over the last five years.   We know he helped negotiate certain FA deals and trades, and has had input on other players; whether DD viewed any of that as meddling or usurping his authority, or whether he was specifically asked to be involved in those things, none of us really knows.    One thing I do know is that DD has never said a single negative thing about Brady in public; what he privately thinks or tells others, I have no idea.     

[weams]

9 minutes ago, Frobby said:

Honestly, I think we have virtually no idea how Brady is perceived by others in the front office, or what experience he’s had over the last five years.   We know he helped negotiate certain FA deals and trades, and has had input on other players; whether DD viewed any of that as meddling or usurping his authority, or whether he was specifically asked to be involved in those things, none of us really knows.    One thing I do know is that DD has never said a single negative thing about Brady in public; what he privately thinks or tells others, I have no idea.     

Decause Dan has no emotions. His strongest characteristic.