O's listening to trade offers for Givens

[TheOtherRipken]

2 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

Where was it reported that the Brewers gave us extra for Schoop catching fire?

Are you trying to be facetious with that response, or alternatively genuinely believe that a 4 era > reliever is at the peak or his trade value because of service time?  Usually I like interacting with you on posts but this is not one of those times.

[TheOtherRipken]

Just now, Can_of_corn said:

I'm sure 2017 had nothing to do with it.

If he didnt start hitting in 2018 we weren’t getting anything for him.

[Can_of_corn]

Just now, TheOtherRipken said:

If he didnt start hitting in 2018 we weren’t getting anything for him.

You know this how?  Friends in Brewers' front office?

[TheOtherRipken]

Just now, Can_of_corn said:

You know this how?  Friends in Brewers' front office?

Common sense.

[Can_of_corn]

Just now, TheOtherRipken said:

Common sense.

I think it is common sense to say that teams look at more than a few weeks of production when evaluating players.

[TheOtherRipken]

Just now, Can_of_corn said:

I think it is common sense to say that teams look at more than a few weeks of production when evaluating players.

I don’t think I ever argued against that. Point I’m trying to make is that if Givens had a 2 Era right now he’d be more valuable than if he had a 4. Teams would give more for a player producing more than for a player they “hope will be able to recapture past performance.” Either I represented that wrong or I am totally lost about why that is controversial.

[Can_of_corn]

1 minute ago, TheOtherRipken said:

I don’t think I ever argued against that. Point I’m trying to make is that if Givens had a 2 Era right now he’d be more valuable than if he had a 4. Teams would give more for a player producing more than for a player they “hope will be able to recapture past performance.” Either I represented that wrong or I am totally lost about why that is controversial.

I think you are significantly over estimating recent performance.

[OsFanSinceThe80s]

45 minutes ago, Rene88 said:

Very few of our players have any value, so he will be gone sooner than later.

Be patient and #TrustTheProcess.

[Rene88]

2 minutes ago, OsFanSinceThe80s said:

Be patient and #TrustTheProcess.

Oh I know, you don’t have to tell me that. Elias is great but this will be a long long rebuild me thinks.

[Moose Milligan]

9 minutes ago, TheOtherRipken said:

Are you trying to be facetious with that response, or alternatively genuinely believe that a 4 era > reliever is at the peak or his trade value because of service time?  Usually I like interacting with you on posts but this is not one of those times.

No, I'm genuinely curious.  

Service time matters.  It's part of a players value.  I disagree with your notion that Givens would be more valuable now with a 2 ERA than a 4 ERA because his career is a 3.18 ERA.  He's gone 12 innings this year.  I'm failing to believe that if the 12 innings he had thrown this year were to a 2.00 ERA a team would give up a...better prospect?  Would give up an additional prospect?  

[Can_of_corn]

2 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

No, I'm genuinely curious.  

Service time matters.  It's part of a players value.  I disagree with your notion that Givens would be more valuable now with a 2 ERA than a 4 ERA because his career is a 3.18 ERA.  He's gone 12 innings this year.  I'm failing to believe that if the 12 innings he had thrown this year were to a 2.00 ERA a team would give up a...better prospect?  Would give up an additional prospect?  

It's common sense.

[OsFanSinceThe80s]

4 minutes ago, Rene88 said:

Oh I know, you don’t have to tell me that. Elias is great but this will be a long long rebuild me thinks.

I’m think 2023 to get back to .500 and maybe 2022 if things go better than expected.

[TheOtherRipken]

1 minute ago, Moose Milligan said:

No, I'm genuinely curious.  

Service time matters.  It's part of a players value.  I disagree with your notion that Givens would be more valuable now with a 2 ERA than a 4 ERA because his career is a 3.18 ERA.  He's gone 12 innings this year.  I'm failing to believe that if the 12 innings he had thrown this year were to a 2.00 ERA a team would give up a...better prospect?  Would give up an additional prospect?  

Gotcha I can’t say for a fact, I’m just a junkie for deadline trades and my own observations, and the trend seems like trading a player at a down point is lesser value and at a higher point is greater.  

12 innings isn’t the problem, he struggled last year too. A good closer isn’t pitching at a 4 era. He really hasnt been consistenly dominant since 2017 and I would be concerned with maximizing value based on that and before.

 

[TheOtherRipken]

2 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

It's common sense.

I thought we were friends ?

[Moose Milligan]

5 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

It's common sense.

Well you're an uncommon cat, CoC.