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So five months of the season don't matter?

I didn't preclude a dramatic turnaround. I said, barring a turnaround Trembley will be gone and McPhail should be held accountable. I'm as hopeful as you for a turnaround but I don't see it with Trembley at the helm.

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I didn't say that. I said that he over rated them. I think AJ ,e.g. will be a Torii Hunter type guy someday. But not this year or next, and he shouldn't be hitting higher than #6. If AM wanted more wins this season, he shouldn't ha e counted much on Jones for this year. Reimold is a big disappointment to me. I had much higher expectations for him, but I just don't see it now. I don't pay that much attention to the stats, I watch them play. And I am not impressed.

Nick was super unimpressive during his slump. The guy couldn't drive anything. I think every single baseball player can look unimpressive for a string of games, put up a 2 for 18 type slump. Most players do it multiple times a year.. Look at Teixeira and how he starts years..

I agree with the theory of not hitting the young guys (like AJ) higher than 6th. In an ideal situation, Nolan/MW/AJ would all be broken in by hitting for an extended period of time at the bottom of the lineup to gain some experience.

The problem is, we don't have the quality of players aside from them to do that. So I guess you could rail on MacPhail for not finding those quality players.. But at the same time, Holliday was really the only bat on the FA market. Aside from him, we would have had to trade some of our prospects, and I don't think we are in a place to do that quite yet.

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You're right that it's the hitting, but you're wrong when you say those guys can't be the core of a strong offense. They're not hitting now. God only knows why, but they're not. But jumping from that to concluding that none of them are good hitters, and instead are just "support players", is silly...
God may not know, but I have a guess. They just aren't as good as we all thought they were. I watch them every day and they have very poor AB. I don't care much about the numbers outcomes with young players, I care about the quality of the AB. And they aren't good. I remember working with a famous playwrite who said, "great actors can't be beat, most actors can be beat". I think it's the same with ballplayers. Most can be beat and we have precious few who can't. I am saying AM overestimated the level of offensive talent on this team and untill he upgrades it, he can't hold DT responsible for W/L's. The SP are all trying to throw shut outs, becuase they don't believe they can give the team a chance to win if they give up a run. It's ridiculous. Wieters is going to be a very good hitting catcher, but he is not going to be the SHJ. Markakis is better than what he was last year, but a 20 HR .300 BA, 100 RBI guy is not the the anchor of your team, he is more of a a support player. Like Paul O'neil. And Nick is the best hitter on the team.
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God may not know, but I have a guess. They just aren't as good as we all thought they were. I watch them every day and they have very poor AB. I don't care much about the numbers outcomes with young players, I care about the quality of the AB. And they aren't good. I remember working with a famous playwrite who said, "great actors can't be beat, most actors can be beat". I think it's the same with ballplayers. Most can be beat and we have precious few who can't. I am saying AM overestimated the level of offensive talent on this team and untill he upgrades it, he can't hold DT responsible for W/L's. The SP are all trying to throw shut outs, becuase they don't believe they can give the team a chance to win if they give up a run. It's ridiculous. Wieters is going to be a very good hitting catcher, but he is not going to be the SHJ. Markakis is better than what he was last year, but a 20 HR .300 BA, 100 RBI guy is not the the anchor of your team, he is more of a a support player. Like Paul O'neil. And Nick is the best hitter on the team.

I can't agree more about Nick. He's a very good player but not a great player. Nothing wrong with that but I don't think he'll ever be dominant. He's more of a number 2 then a #3 imo. He's a #3 for the O's only because they have nothing else.

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God may not know, but I have a guess. They just aren't as good as we all thought they were. I watch them every day and they have very poor AB. I don't care much about the numbers outcomes with young players, I care about the quality of the AB. And they aren't good. I remember working with a famous playwrite who said, "great actors can't be beat, most actors can be beat". I think it's the same with ballplayers. Most can be beat and we have precious few who can't. I am saying AM overestimated the level of offensive talent on this team and untill he upgrades it, he can't hold DT responsible for W/L's. The SP are all trying to throw shut outs, becuase they don't believe they can give the team a chance to win if they give up a run. It's ridiculous. Wieters is going to be a very good hitting catcher, but he is not going to be the SHJ. Markakis is better than what he was last year, but a 20 HR .300 BA, 100 RBI guy is not the the anchor of your team, he is more of a a support player. Like Paul O'neil. And Nick is the best hitter on the team.

Nolan and Matt haven't even had one full season yet, and you're typecasting them already... AJ's had only 2...

Why? Based on 4 weeks of ball. If they were doing well so far, you'd be singing a different tune.

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I mean, I realize it's not on purpose. It just seems like 50% of people on here don't even know how to spell his name. It's not disrespect if you don't know.

If I'm going to make a post about someone, I should know how to spell his name, no excuses.

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Nolan and Matt haven't even had one full season yet, and you're typecasting them already... AJ's had only 2...

Why? Based on 5 weeks of ball. If they were doing well so far, you'd be singing a different tune.

Totally agree here. AJ-1209 ABS, MW-452 ABS, NR- 428 ABS. I feel that we really cant tell what their true potential may be until they all have around 1000-1500 ABS. And even though AJ has had 1200 ABS, hes never played a full season. A lot of unknowns there, IMO, and way to early to say that these guys are only support players.

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I mean, I realize it's not on purpose. It just seems like 50% of people on here don't even know how to spell his name. It's not disrespect if you don't know.

It's amazing how many folks don't know how to spell Oriole names... not just the GM, but players too, both past and present... like Cow Ripkin and Boog Pow...

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Nolan and Matt haven't even had one full season yet, and you're typecasting them already... AJ's had only 2...

Why? Based on 5 weeks of ball. If they were doing well so far, you'd be singing a different tune.

Well, of course. But they aren't. And that's the question -- will we see a turnaround or were we all just too optimistic. For me, little to fear with Markakis and Reimold. Wieters probably will become the best offensive catcher the Orioles have ever had and maybe the best in baseball. Jones and Scott have me seriously worried. I was sceptical about both when they were acquired and am even more concerned now.

On the other hand, I went to Fenway Park tonight and watched David Ortiz

seem to show more signs of breaking out of his funk -- the dimensions of which have made most of the Orioles look like Lou Gehrig. Who can say? Can even Luke turn it around?

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