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I call immediate BS on this rumor.

Right, this doesn't make any sense at all. Like him for what? Because we don't have a chippy fellow named Bobby on our team? He would serve no purpose to us in any direction we may be taking.

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Doesn't seem very likely. But don't call him another Vlad. He's the anti-Vlad when it comes to his approach at the plate.

I didn't call him another Vlad. I associated the two as older players on the downside slope of their respective careers. Look at last season numbers (offensively) and Vlad appears to have had a slightly better season. I don't want Vlad or Abreu...that was the point.

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It wouldn't surprise me if Duquette had some interest there. Remember, he's all about finding guys who can get on base, and while Abreu's .353 OBP last year was nothing special, it would have led the Orioles. He takes pitches, he draws walks...this is the type of hitter Duquette wants in the lineup. On a cheap 1 year deal as a DH, the club could do worse, though I don't think it would be a great move either.

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I didn't call him another Vlad. I associated the two as older players on the downside slope of their respective careers. Look at last season numbers (offensively) and Vlad appears to have had a slightly better season. I don't want Vlad or Abreu...that was the point.

Nope, last season Abreu was better. His OPS+ was 104 to Guerrero's 101, and since Abreu's OPS was much more heavily tilted towards OBP, that made him clearly the better offensive player last season.

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Nope, last season Abreu was better. His OPS+ was 104 to Guerrero's 101, and since Abreu's OPS was much more heavily tilted towards OBP, that made him clearly the better offensive player last season.

Abreau's wRC+ was 104. Same as his OPS+. Vlad's wRC+ was 95. A lot of singles there between the two. Abreau had a pretty anemic 112 ISO with a much lower BA. Oddly enough, OPS+ and WRC+ often align pretty closely. The main issue with OPS+ is a bias towards HR power and against walks. The combination didn't really help Abreau in terms of his weighted average performance, but it definitely affected Vladdy.

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Abreau's wRC+ was 104. Same as his OPS+. Vlad's wRC+ was 95. A lot of singles there between the two. Abreau had a pretty anemic 112 ISO with a much lower BA. Oddly enough, OPS+ and WRC+ often align pretty closely. The main issue with OPS+ is a bias towards HR power and against walks. The combination didn't really help Abreau in terms of his weighted average performance, but it definitely affected Vladdy.
Abreu had 30 2B, and 78 BB's, and a .325 wOBA to Vlad's .318, plus he is a LH bat which we are looking for.
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Abreu had 30 2B, and 78 BB's, and a .325 wOBA to Vlad's .318, plus he is a LH bat which we are looking for.

Yeah he was better than VLAD. No issue there. Just pointing out that an above average OPS+ for Abreau wasn't really different than his wRC+ despite the relatively high OBP. Also, woba is not park adjusted. The main point is his obp is pretty shallow when when you look at the weighted average and the park adjustment (wRC+). Don't let the .353 OBP fool you. I don't want Abreau.

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I didn't call him another Vlad. I associated the two as older players on the downside slope of their respective careers. Look at last season numbers (offensively) and Vlad appears to have had a slightly better season. I don't want Vlad or Abreu...that was the point.

Yeah, I knew this was your point, and I don't want either one, either. They are both well over the hill. I was just pointing out that Abreu at least makes the pitchers work and will take a walk.

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