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Should MLB suspend players for 50 games for marijuana?

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apollod Major Leaguer Cup of Coffee

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Considering my original reply was responding to a guy who thinks marijuana use and drunk driving are equivalents, I'm fairly sure my points hold up much better. ;)

Sure maybe if your quoted response with said straw man argument was directed towards the person who said that. Problem is that it wasn't; furthermore the original post didn't equate marijuana use to a dui. He was pointing out how strong a penalty for marijuana usage is compared to the penalty for dui, and advocated making the dui penalty stronger (50 game penalty on the 1st offense compared to 50 game penalty on 2nd offense). You insinuated that he was making them equal; he didn't in the way you accused. He only made them equal in the sense that illegal activities should have penalties; he didn't make the penalties equal.

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I don't think it should be a suspendable offense, but the fact remains that it is, and you can't blame anyone but the player for breaking the rules he agreed to upon joining the league.

Believe it or not... I agree with Spoonless! Dem's da rules, man. You all agreed to them when you signed on the dotted line.

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I don't think it should be as severe as the performing enhanciing stuff. Wasn't Lincecum caught with being in possession of marijuana. I don't recall anything happening to him. Although, I guess that wasn't technically a drug test. On a side note, I think Rowell is a loser and we should have already released him. Let him smoke all the dope he wants.

Can't resist...

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Believe it or not... I agree with Spoonless! Dem's da rules, man. You all agreed to them when you signed on the dotted line.

But the point of the thread is SHOULD it be the rules?

The rules say that's his punishment but that doesn't mean we can't be in support of changing the rule. Rules change all the time.

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But the point of the thread is SHOULD it be the rules?

The rules say that's his punishment but that doesn't mean we can't be in support of changing the rule. Rules change all the time.

That will go over well with ma and pa fan, if MLB suddenly came out and said smoking pot is ok. :rolleyes:

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That's a cute thought, but you and everyone else break laws on a regular basis, whether you realize it or not. There's a stupid law for just about everything. I guess you never speed in your car?
You'd probably get much further in your discussion if you didn't resort to the strawman argument...

This thread is stupid and is obviously not going anywhere, but I had to chime in about this. That's not a strawman argument. It's actually entirely relevant.

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That's a cute thought, but you and everyone else break laws on a regular basis, whether you realize it or not. There's a stupid law for just about everything. I guess you never speed in your car?
Actually, no I don't. Often, I have my middle-schooler ride with me in the car and try to set an example.
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This thread is stupid and is obviously not going anywhere, but I had to chime in about this. That's not a strawman argument. It's actually entirely relevant.

No, its a strawman.. it's practically a textbook example of a strawman argument.

To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by replacing it with a superficially similar yet unequivalent proposition (the "straw man"), and refuting it, without ever having actually refuted the original position

That's exactly what he did there, he didn't attack the position directly, he just responded with "I guess you never broke any laws" how is that in any way relevant to the vary narrow discussion on DUI penalties vs Marijuana penalties. He's basically asking him to defend penalties for everything and anything, when that's not what the discussion is about.

Edit: And he still continues to go down the road of bringing other laws/penalties into the discussion that have no relevance to the original argument (See: All posts about speeding); He can't possibly defend his original assertion (because he was wrong and misunderstood what was said), so he has to resort to bringing up things not relevant to the discussion (Posters themselves breaking the law) and attack the other position via the strawman argument; when the other position can't possibly defend it because that's not what the original discussion was about.

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This thread is stupid and is obviously not going anywhere, but I had to chime in about this. That's not a strawman argument. It's actually entirely relevant.

How is this thread stupid when we have like 3 or 4 players with 50 game suspensions right now?

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Marijuana shouldn't be illegal.

Even though it is, baseball shouldn't care.

Because they do, players getting caught are dumb I guess. But they're still getting beat up by a stupid rule.

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