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Uh what? If by "special cases" you mean they have players that have bought into the organization and Tampa has been willing to give these players guaranteed money money earlier in exchange for smaller contracts, then maybe? But there is nothing I can think of that Tampa has done that any other team could not have done. If Baltimore had offered Wieters the Longo contract two weeks after getting called up he would have signed it. So would have Machado.

What Tampa does is fantastic and impressive. Shame on you, sir...

So you would have given Bergesen, Matusz, Reimold, and Rhyne Hughes extensions also for their quick starts?

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So you would have given Bergesen, Matusz, Reimold, and Rhyne Hughes extensions also for their quick starts?

Not to speak for Stotle, but I didn't see him say anything about "quick starts." He's talking about locking up the best of the best young players/prospects shortly after they get to the majors, like the Rays did with Longoria. What do Bergesen, Reimold, and Rhyne Hughes have to do with anything?

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Not to speak for Stotle, but I didn't see him say anything about "quick starts." He's talking about locking up the best of the best young players/prospects shortly after they get to the majors, like the Rays did with Longoria. What do Bergesen, Reimold, and Rhyne Hughes have to do with anything?

Pretty sure it rhymes with "Shplaw Flan"...

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Seriously? Do you want to discuss this or act like you've been munching on paint chips for a couple of weeks?

When would you have given Wieters his extension? After his second year when he hit .249 with a .319 OBP and 11 HR?

I'm not saying that what the Rays have done isn't smart, I'm just saying that the situations that they have had with their players is not the same that we had with Wieters. Machado may be a different story.

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When would you have given Wieters his extension? After his second year when he hit .249 with a .319 OBP and 11 HR?

I'm not saying that what the Rays have done isn't smart, I'm just saying that the situations that they have had with their players is not the same that we had with Wieters. Machado may be a different story.

Explain yourself. These vagaries make absolutely no sense. What is this "situation" the Rays have with their players? How is Machado potentially comparable to the "Rays situations"? How is Wieters not? I'm honestly dumbfounded.

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Explain yourself. These vagaries make absolutely no sense. What is this "situation" the Rays have with their players? How is Machado potentially comparable to the "Rays situations"? How is Wieters not? I'm honestly dumbfounded.

You want me to compare Wieters and Longorias numbers their first two years?

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For a third baseman? No.

Well we were calling Wieters "Mauer with power" so we weren't exactly expecting Wieters to be a below average hitter and gold glove catcher. The point being that Longoria lived up to expectations. Wieters, to many people, did not.

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You want me to compare Wieters and Longorias numbers their first two years?

They gave him an extension LIKE 20 DAYS INTO HIS MAJOR LEAGUE CAREER! He had no track record at all outside of the minor leagues!

6 years/17.5M (2008-13), plus 2014-16 club options

signed extension with Tampa Bay 4/18/08

08:$0.5M, 09:$0.55M, 10:$0.95M, 11:$2M, 12:$4.5M, 13:$6M, 14:$7.5M

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/compensation/cots/al-east/tampa-bay-rays/

Come on kiddo, let's up the quality here.

EDIT -- Sorry, six days into his major league career. "contract purchased by Tampa Bay 4/12/08"

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They gave him an extension LIKE 20 DAYS INTO HIS MAJOR LEAGUE CAREER! He had no track record at all outside of the minor leagues!

6 years/17.5M (2008-13), plus 2014-16 club options

signed extension with Tampa Bay 4/18/08

08:$0.5M, 09:$0.55M, 10:$0.95M, 11:$2M, 12:$4.5M, 13:$6M, 14:$7.5M

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/compensation/cots/al-east/tampa-bay-rays/

Come on kiddo, let's up the quality here.

They basically paid him all of his arbitration years and then added three additional years of team options. You think Boras would have allowed Wieters to take that deal after his below average start to his career?

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I cannot disagree about the big bat. I have wanted Tex, I have wanted Dunn, I have wanted Prince. I've been screaming for a big bat for years. I did not want Hamilton. I just don't see the right fit this offseason to acquire that big time bat. And I'm not willing to trade more then we should have to trade to get it. We don't need it that bad. I like Davis a lot more then you and am fine with him and Jones in the middle next year if that means keeping Tillman.

Didn't want Hamilton? Sure he was a bit of an over-pay, but a heck of player. His contract was substantially more reasonable than Prince of Pujols'. I believe in building a scouting, farm and developmental system for the long run, but those things are not mutually exclusive.

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They basically paid him all of his arbitration years and then added three additional years of team options. You think Boras would have allowed Wieters to take that deal after his below average start to his career?

Man I hate it when people say things like that.

It isn't Boras's decision. Now it is very possible that Wieters would have turned it down or required significantly more money but ultimately the player makes the call, not the agent.

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