This latest ARoid news has me worried.

[howboutthoseos]

Just a thought..

I hate when people develop guilt by association. I just think it is a disservice to Manny even bringing up his name in these type of threads. Someone passing by is going to read this and think, "yeah, he could be dirty too". It just isn't right.

I respect your point, but I disagree. My first thought over the weekend when I saw this news was, "Oh man, oh Manny. Manny looks up to a-rod. I sure hope his admiration doesn't extend to dabbling in this stuff like he does." I started a thread over in the MLB section (where this thread really belongs, IMO) saying something to that effect.

It's the curse of an O's fan after so many years of losing (even after our amazing 2012) -- being worried that the next bad thing is just around the corner. If I can't vent that / share my fears with fellow diehard O's fans, then who?

Of course, no one should say "It's clear Manny is doing it" or anything else unsubstantiated like that. That would be irresponsible. But merely expressing a fear on a message board that is by its nature conversational -- to me, that is totally in-bounds.

[crowmst3k!]

I could very easily see the Yankees finishing 3rd or lower in the east this year. Yankee turmoil and aging, Red Sux rebuilding can only mean good things for Baltimore in 2013.

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[Blizzard1090]

I think the Yanks won't even make the playoffs this year. Good for baseball all around if that happens.

[Ven6]

Now this is more like it:

Rodriguez Intends To Continue Playing

By Ben Nicholson-Smith [January 31 at 3:19pm CST]

3:18pm: Rodriguez intends to recover from his hip operation and play out the remaining five years on his contract, Yahoo's Tim Brown reports. "Alex is working diligently on his rehabilitation and looks forward to getting back on the field as soon as possible," one source close to Rodriguez told Brown. The third baseman has not heard from MLB or from the Yankees since this week's news broke. Rodriguez doesn't have interest in a discounted buyout and probably wouldn't approve a trade away from the Yankees.

Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#3FJA0DeLh7v2PtXZ.99

[Mr Snuffleupagus]

I respect your point, but I disagree. My first thought over the weekend when I saw this news was, "Oh man, oh Manny. Manny looks up to a-rod. I sure hope his admiration doesn't extend to dabbling in this stuff like he does." I started a thread over in the MLB section (where this thread really belongs, IMO) saying something to that effect.

It's the curse of an O's fan after so many years of losing (even after our amazing 2012) -- being worried that the next bad thing is just around the corner. If I can't vent that / share my fears with fellow diehard O's fans, then who?

Of course, no one should say "It's clear Manny is doing it" or anything else unsubstantiated like that. That would be irresponsible. But merely expressing a fear on a message board that is by its nature conversational -- to me, that is totally in-bounds.

No offense, but Manny isn't a 5yr old boy looking up to his Dad here. I don't know how anyone could look at ARod over the past 3yrs and say "Yeah, that's the guy I want to become." He might idolize ARod, but I don't think that means he'll be following in his exact footsteps. If anything, you'd think he would be learning from ARod's mistakes, not duplicating them.

[howboutthoseos]

No offense, but Manny isn't a 5yr old boy looking up to his Dad here. I don't know how anyone could look at ARod over the past 3yrs and say "Yeah, that's the guy I want to become." He might idolize ARod, but I don't think that means he'll be following in his exact footsteps. If anything, you'd think he would be learning from ARod's mistakes, not duplicating them.

I really hope you're right. I love the kid.

[El Gordo]

No offense, but Manny isn't a 5yr old boy looking up to his Dad here. I don't know how anyone could look at ARod over the past 3yrs and say "Yeah, that's the guy I want to become." He might idolize ARod, but I don't think that means he'll be following in his exact footsteps. If anything, you'd think he would be learning from ARod's mistakes, not duplicating them.

Things look differently to players on the inside than to fans on the outside.

Manny hangs out with ARoid in the off season works out with him and sometimes parties with him. They have the same agent who is one major sleezebag. Lazano makes Boras look like Brooks. Manny is keeping some bad company

[Mr Snuffleupagus]

Things look differently to players on the inside than to fans on the outside.

Manny hangs out with ARoid in the off season works out with him and sometimes parties with him. They have the same agent who is one major sleezebag. Lazano makes Boras look like Brooks. Manny is keeping some bad company

If by bad company you mean people with questionable morals and a knack for being douchy, then yes. But ARod is also the greatest player of his generation. Would we all feel better if he was hanging out more with Mike Bordick? I mean, I hear ya, there is reason to worry that Manny might get wrapped up in something like this, but for now, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt.

[El Gordo]

If by bad company you mean people with questionable morals and a knack for being douchy, then yes. But ARod is also the greatest player of his generation. Would we all feel better if he was hanging out more with Mike Bordick? I mean, I hear ya, there is reason to worry that Manny might get wrapped up in something like this, but for now, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt.

This is kind of contradictory don't you think, didn't you just get finished saying this: "I don't know how anyone could look at ARod over the past 3yrs and say "Yeah, that's the guy I want to become." He might idolize ARod, but I don't think that means he'll be following in his exact footsteps. If anything, you'd think he would be learning from ARod's mistakes, not duplicating them." Do you have an evil twin?

[Blizzard1090]

IMO,until the punishments are harsher,the only thing that will happen is players will work harder at not getting caught.

[Dipper9]

The truth is, I have become cynical of most athletes now-a-days, and I suspect most of them are using something.

[paulcoates]

T.J. Quinn and Mike Fish of ESPN.com report that Anthony Bosch of Biogenesis of America clinic injected Alex Rodriguez with performance-enhancing drugs multiple times at the player's Biscayne Bay mansion.

The report states that most athletes associated with the Coral Gables clinic "relied on intermediaries to transport the performance-enhancing drug regimens Bosch provided," but A-Rod was only handled personally by Bosch. Bosch's visits to A-Rod's mansion were reportedly every few weeks, with one visit resulting in Rodriguez kicking Bosch out after he was unable to find a vein needed for an injection. A-Rod's spokesman has already denied the new report, stating that "the allegations are not true."

Source: ESPN.com Feb 1 - 12:59 PM

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/mlb/1981/alex-rodriguez

[SeaBird]

T.J. Quinn and Mike Fish of ESPN.com report that Anthony Bosch of Biogenesis of America clinic injected Alex Rodriguez with performance-enhancing drugs multiple times at the player's Biscayne Bay mansion.

The report states that most athletes associated with the Coral Gables clinic "relied on intermediaries to transport the performance-enhancing drug regimens Bosch provided," but A-Rod was only handled personally by Bosch. Bosch's visits to A-Rod's mansion were reportedly every few weeks, with one visit resulting in Rodriguez kicking Bosch out after he was unable to find a vein needed for an injection. A-Rod's spokesman has already denied the new report, stating that "the allegations are not true."

Source: ESPN.com Feb 1 - 12:59 PM

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/mlb/1981/alex-rodriguez

Great scoop minus one small point. HGH injections are not intravenously.

[Mr Snuffleupagus]

This is kind of contradictory don't you think, didn't you just get finished saying this: "I don't know how anyone could look at ARod over the past 3yrs and say "Yeah, that's the guy I want to become." He might idolize ARod, but I don't think that means he'll be following in his exact footsteps. If anything, you'd think he would be learning from ARod's mistakes, not duplicating them." Do you have an evil twin?

I said 3 years, not 18. He had an amazing career through 2010. It's only been within the past few years that the allegations and admissions of steroids have come to light. Mark McGuire used steroids... Do you think the Cardinals, or now Dodgers, are nervous he's injecting players in the clubhouse? The guy was a cheater, but he also knows a thing or two about hitting. Same goes for ARod, even if we all agree he is a tool.

[El Gordo]

I said 3 years, not 18. He had an amazing career through 2010. It's only been within the past few years that the allegations and admissions of steroids have come to light. Mark McGuire used steroids... Do you think the Cardinals, or now Dodgers, are nervous he's injecting players in the clubhouse? The guy was a cheater, but he also knows a thing or two about hitting. Same goes for ARod, even if we all agree he is a tool.

Aroid has been using PED's since he was in TEX. All indications are he hasnt stopped. McGwire has much more character than ARoid IMO, and is respected by those in the game. ARoid not so much.