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What do you think BRob will earn next year? (Not necessarily from the Orioles)


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What do you think BRob will earn next year (not necessarily from the O's)?  

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  1. 1. What do you think BRob will earn next year (not necessarily from the O's)?

    • Only a minor league deal (or he'll retire)
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Your #5 is very important. It will not get BRob a starting role but it makes him very useful at the right price. Also, I'd much rather have BRob on base then Wieters. He can pinch run at times.

That is why I added it, I was trying to be fair. The question wasn't if Roberts could be useful, the question is if he is worth a roster spot in this day and age of bloated bullpens.

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Would you use a roster spot for someone who:

1) Plays an inferior second base to the starter

2) Can't play anywhere else on the diamond

3) Doesn't have the offensive profile to DH

4) Is a questionable pinch runner at this stage in his career

5) Has a very nice approach to hitting and preformed extraordinarily well in clutch situations last season?

If this was the late 70's and there was roster space for a pinch hitter I would be fine with going forward with Roberts in that capacity.

Well, we've had exceptional bench talent like Casilla, Teagarden, Flaherty, Dickerson recently, so I would think I'd take BRob on the bench over all of them.

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Well, we've had exceptional bench talent like Casilla, Teagarden, Flaherty, Dickerson recently, so I would think I'd take BRob on the bench over all of them.

Casilla can play short

Roberts can't

Teagarden can catch

Roberts can't

Flaherty can play short, third or corner outfield

Roberts can't

Dickerson can play LF/RF/CR

Roberts can't

His role on the team, assuming Buck doesn't install him as the everyday second baseman, is too narrow.

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Casilla can play short

Roberts can't

Teagarden can catch

Roberts can't

Flaherty can play short, third or corner outfield

Roberts can't

Dickerson can play LF/RF/CR

Roberts can't

And none of the four are worth a hill of beans. Roberts is.

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And none of the four are worth a hill of beans. Roberts is.

Way to support your opinion with facts Dip.

Roberts on the roster is going to limit roster flexibility.

You won't bring him in as a defensive replacement.

His role on the team would be to occasionally give the second baseman a day off and pinch hit.

How is that worth a roster spot?

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That is why I added it, I was trying to be fair. The question wasn't if Roberts could be useful, the question is if he is worth a roster spot in this day and age of bloated bullpens.

Yes, Roberts is worth a roster spot. The O's need hitters. He showed in the 2nd half he can knock in runs. Its an important role. He can also fill in a 2B and pinch run. I would add him to the bench.

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Way to support your opinion with facts Dip.

Roberts on the roster is going to limit roster flexibility.

You won't bring him in as a defensive replacement.

His role on the team would be to occasionally give the second baseman a day off and pinch hit.

How is that worth a roster spot?

Look, I've said several times that I'd wish BRob well in his future and thank him for his time, but I'm not in favor of bringing him back.

That said, our bench has sucked for many, many years. You can say its not important when the regulars play as much as our do, but then again, some would say that the lack of rest for our starters is why we slumped in the final two months of the season.

I'm not a Flaherty fan, but I'm okay with him being at second to start the season under Schoop is ready.

Teagarden was a waste of a spot for 2 years. How anyone could argue that is beyond me.

Casilla was a waste of $2 million. I know, some will say that was Roberts fault, but Buck could have gotten Casilla in more than he did.

My point is while I don't want BRob back, based on the bench the past few years, I would accept Roberts as a bench player over the alternative of what we have had recently.

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Right. Results depend on where they bat and what positions they play.

Well then BRob did a heck of job because he was hitting at the bottom of order except the few times he led of. Neither are RBI positions. BRob know how to get a runs in from third. He understands the game and can execute at times. He is using his head.

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Well then BRob did a heck of job because he was hitting at the bottom of order except the few times he led of. Neither are RBI positions. BRob know how to get a runs in from third. He understands the game and can execute at times. He is using his head.

He had unsustainable numbers with RISP that are well above his career averages.

I freely admit he had a nice approach in those situations but it would unwise to assume that future results will be consistent with what he accomplished in 2013.

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BRob totaled 809 plate appearances from 2010-2013. During that time he consumed over 10% of the total team payroll. For most of that time he was injured and the nature of his injury made any sort of proactive planning for the future at 2B impossible. For much of the time nobody knew whether he would be ready to play in three weeks, three months or sometime next year.

Do we go to PA and say "let's write off 10 million this year and preemptively bury fan favorite Brian Roberts career"? or do we cross our fingers and slap a bandaid on 2B and see if we can catch a break and incidentally recoup some of that $40 million contract?

IMO the size of his contract coupled with the nature of his injury and the evident budget cap from ownership was more than a little crippling.

Oh, Roberts wasn't worth his contract? I had no idea!

Brian Roberts made a little over 10 percent of the Orioles payroll and was worth 0.7 WAR. Markakis made more and was worth -0.1 WAR. Josh Johnson made over 10 percent of the Blue Jays payroll and was worth -1.6 WAR. Rodriguez, Sabathia and Teixeira all made more than 10 percent of the Yankees payroll and were worth 0.3, 0.3, and -0.2 WAR respectively. Dempster made almost 9 percent of the Red Sox payroll and was worth -0.2 WAR.

Twins with Morneau, White Sox with Konerko (and Peavy and Dunn), Astros with Pena, Athletics with Chris Young. Half the teams in the AL were crippled!

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Well then BRob did a heck of job because he was hitting at the bottom of order except the few times he led of. Neither are RBI positions. BRob know how to get a runs in from third. He understands the game and can execute at times. He is using his head.
He had unsustainable numbers with RISP that are well above his career averages.

I freely admit he had a nice approach in those situations but it would unwise to assume that future results will be consistent with what he accomplished in 2013.

Yeah, what Corn said, and I even acknowledge that Brob may a have a slight (above his norm) proficiency at RISP production.

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Oh, Roberts wasn't worth his contract? I had no idea!

Brian Roberts made a little over 10 percent of the Orioles payroll and was worth 0.7 WAR. Markakis made more and was worth -0.1 WAR. Josh Johnson made over 10 percent of the Blue Jays payroll and was worth -1.6 WAR. Rodriguez, Sabathia and Teixeira all made more than 10 percent of the Yankees payroll and were worth 0.3, 0.3, and -0.2 WAR respectively. Dempster made almost 9 percent of the Red Sox payroll and was worth -0.2 WAR.

Twins with Morneau, White Sox with Konerko (and Peavy and Dunn), Astros with Pena, Athletics with Chris Young. Half the teams in the AL were crippled!

Well ok, but I don't like being crippled. Lets try and avoid it.

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