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Suppose they could get Davis to agree to a 6/90M extension and Wieters a 5/65M extension and Manny a 10/80M extension. That would would add 20 M to the payroll this year. Think they wouldn't spend on those contracts? It's not about how much they spend or don't spend, it's about the value they get for what they spend. This team's payroll is currently larger than WS winner STL's. Maybe when we get to the point of getting the value out of our spending that STL does, we will be a WS winner too.

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Dumb question: if you tender a contract, you can still trade them right? If you don't, they're free agents?

Wouldn't Duq want to tender everyone and then trade whoever, based on how the free agent market shapes up? I personally feel Johnson is either signed to an extension that brings his cost down or he's gone.

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What we are left with is a team that he zero capability to win it all, will continue to make money hand over fist every year for the owner, yet leaves the average fan with the idea that things are progressing in the right direction. In reality we are just slowly going back to the "sitting on the fence" days all over again stuck in mediocrity.

We have been a winning team. Whether you choose to like it or not, we HAVE had chances to win it all.

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The Baltimore Orioles are coming off two winning seasons and a playoff appearance in the last two seasons. I can root for a team like that.

Hell, rooted for a team that lost 14 years in a row, so dang tooting I can roo for them now.

It just pains the heck out of me, that they play this game of smoke and mirrors and lip service to the fans, and don't mean it.

Like, we will get a bat last year and didn't.

They have a good core and with the right player or two, can probably take it up a notch in performance, and this team doesn't appear willing to do so. They want us the fans to accept it for what it is and continue for them to bank the $$$ and line their pockets.

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The issue the Orioles are running into now is they have to keep up the charade that they are actually trying to win and build a team to take it all the way, even though we all know that the main goal is to make money. You can't go trading away your best players, because that doesn't jive with the company line. I mean we were told in no uncertain terms the MASN money would be used to improve the team....they surely can't go and dump salary now or that would make them look like the liars they are.

I believe they are, and are trying to do it within a budget that I think is too small.

Maybe M. Angelos has lied. Some other folks that I respect in the organization have not. In my opinion.

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Hell, rooted for a team that lost 14 years in a row, so dang tooting I can roo for them now.

It just pains the heck out of me, that they play this game of smoke and mirrors and lip service to the fans, and don't mean it.

Like, we will get a bat last year and didn't.

They have a good core and with the right player or two, can probably take it up a notch in performance, and this team doesn't appear willing to do so. They want us the fans to accept it for what it is and continue for them to bank the $$$ and line their pockets.

I think Dan really tried. I think he was shocked at what he would have had to give up.

I am glad that Chris Davis got his shot to be that bat.

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Suppose they could get Davis to agree to a 6/90M extension and Wieters a 5/65M extension and Manny a 10/80M extension. That would would add 20 M to the payroll this year. Think they wouldn't spend on those contracts? It's not about how much they spend or don't spend, it's about the value they get for what they spend. This team's payroll is currently larger than WS winner STL's. Maybe when we get to the point of getting the value out of our spending that STL does, we will be a WS winner too.

That's fine -- it's a multi-year project, though, that includes getting your acquisition and development machine tuned to the point it's producing:

Miller

Rosenthal

Martinez

Molina

Wong

Freese

Craig

Jay

Carpenter

Motte

Lynn

Wainwright

Kelly

Wacha

Garcia

Maness

Mujica

Siegrist

Salas

To go with MiLB prospects like:

Taveras

Gonzalez

Kaminsky

Piscotty

Cooney

Tilson

Reyes

Kelly

Ramsey

etc.

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Congrats on completely missing the point, as usual.

I hope that what you meant is that points you make on this board are often missed, and not that Weams' comprehension skills are lacking. For a long time now, I've felt that his generosity toward a wide variety of perspectives and personalities is one of the Hangout's biggest positives.

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The Baltimore Orioles are coming off two winning seasons and a playoff appearance in the last two seasons. I can root for a team like that.

I think the issue is that the owner and FO seem to want to keep spending limits just to be "competitive" instead of making the big moves to win it all....

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The issue the Orioles are running into now is they have to keep up the charade that they are actually trying to win and build a team to take it all the way, even though we all know that the main goal is to make money. You can't go trading away your best players, because that doesn't jive with the company line. I mean we were told in no uncertain terms the MASN money would be used to improve the team....they surely can't go and dump salary now or that would make them look like the liars they are.

So we are left with no trades. No spending money. Dumpster diving for reclamation projects. Keep the same old same old around, pray that lightning strikes like it did in 2012 and they can say "see we told you so!" They can trot the same 80-85 win team out there every year and say "well we just didn't get the breaks this year, had injuries" and the casual fan will buy it (and tickets) hook line and sinker. Turnstiles keep moving, the head guy in the law office is happy.

By making bold moves that should be made in a Rays type of operation they are basically saying we have been lying to you all this whole time, we aren't allowed to spend money and the jig is up in Angelos eyes. It is all window dressing, and has been for years. They will NEVER trade any of the big draws on the team, they will never pay them(Ok they do in RARE cases where they are basically forced to ala Jonesy, Nick, BRob), they will just ride it out and make up some other nonsense about "what had happened was..."

What we are left with is a team that he zero capability to win it all, will continue to make money hand over fist every year for the owner, yet leaves the average fan with the idea that things are progressing in the right direction. In reality we are just slowly going back to the "sitting on the fence" days all over again stuck in mediocrity.

The old "days all over again" would mean we were stuck in inferiority, not mediocrity. And 178 wins over the last two years (a fine average of 89 W's/season) and either in the playoffs or in late-season contention for them is a lot better than being "stuck in mediocrity."

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I think the issue is that the owner and FO seem to want to keep spending limits just to be "competitive" instead of making the big moves to win it all....

I think the want to win it all. I think they want to spend like it is 1999 though. The money has really gotten stiff.

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The old "days all over again" would mean we were stuck in inferiority, not mediocrity. And 178 wins over the last two years and either in the playoffs or in late-season contention for them is a lot better than being "stuck in mediocrity."

Of course. But that 5k watt radio station does not agree with that.

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That's fine -- it's a multi-year project, though, that includes getting your acquisition and development machine tuned to the point it's producing:

Miller

Rosenthal

Martinez

Molina

Wong

Freese

Craig

Jay

Carpenter

Motte

Lynn

Wainwright

Kelly

Wacha

Garcia

Maness

Mujica

Siegrist

Salas

To go with MiLB prospects like:

Taveras

Gonzalez

Kaminsky

Piscotty

Cooney

Tilson

Reyes

Kelly

Ramsey

etc.

Exactly. That's why it is silly to want to spend on guys like Choo or Garza etc. We need to extend or trade Wieters, JJ, and Davis.
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