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You know what. They broke through. The national guys don't want to believe it. The agents don't want to admit it. The Big Market Big Heads can't get it through their brains. We broke through. It's a different model, and it might not always be consistent. But we broke through. It's not Toronto. It's not St Petersburg with their depleted starting staff. It's not the Yankees octogenarians. It's us. The Orioles. There may be ups and downs. And bad fortune may come our way, but we are nobodies punks to make fun of any more. MLB can't push us around. ESPN can't talk bad enough about us. We are back.

Jon Heyman and Scott Boras are not going to compliment our methods, the agents know we will never be the top dollars. The scouts know that ours is no longer a cushy job to nest in. And the guys who are cutting edge in advanced statistics? They won't be pleased, because we won't be using their model. Ours is less expensive, and requires more moving parts. It won't always be pretty, but we are a winning club again.

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I agree the team is in no way shape or form a laugher. I haven't bought into the vision the front office is selling. Hopefully I'll have egg on my face come 2016.

Oh, you won't have egg. And they never said that 2016 is an important year. The guys have contracts through 2018, and I bet the Orioles win more games than they lose until that time.

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Oh, you won't have egg. And they never said that 2016 is an important year. The guys have contracts through 2018, and I bet the Orioles win more games than they lose until that time.

I'm greedy. Every year is important to me and I don't like the prospect of giving away opportunities to fully leverage opportunities.

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I agree the team is in no way shape or form a laugher. I haven't bought into the vision the front office is selling. Hopefully I'll have egg on my face come 2016.

Trust me, I don't think every move is a winner, and that every step that is taken is correct. I do know that we are not a laughing stock any longer and that is an awfully huge step. Considering that we have the same owner that made us one.

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I'm greedy. Every year is important to me and I don't like the prospect of giving away opportunities to fully leverage opportunities.

I like your theories, you know I've read them thoroughly. But at the end of the day, all we can do is hope that the way things go is a better way than they have gone. This team has not won enough games to make the leaps of faith that you advise. They would probably be a smart thing, but a few more years of winning are probably needed to keep the fan base growing and satisfied.

We should have traded Jim Johnson after he won 50 games and we made the playoffs for the first time in almost two decades, but you know as well as I do, that we couldn't.

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I don't think the organizations action are consistent with the vision you are putting forth, but I believe that is the vision the front office is selling to the fan base. I think there is a disconnect between stated focus and actual action. It makes me nervous that the the in-house pipeline of talent is going to dry up over the next couple of years, and that the team is not going to do what it takes to bring in the needed pieces to get them over the hump.

I don't think the team will be embarrassingly bad or anything like that. I'm just worried it will be seriously flawed and playoffs will be more of a 5-8% thing than a 15-20% thing.

Good response. I agree that the FO's actions could be more consistent with the vision set forth by the org. To be more consistent might mean less winning right now though. I loved the Jimenez move. I loved the Cruz move. As a fan, I don't want to see us sacrifice winning right now.

If Gausman and Bundy develop into studs, then you won't have to worry.

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“There’s nothing to discuss,” Hardy said of any potential extension talks between his agent and the Orioles. “I don’t want to make stories that don’t need to be made. There’s been no discussions so I do not want to talk about it anymore until something changes.”

http://brittghiroli.mlblogs.com/2014/04/24/orioles-blue-jays-game-3/

Smart move

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calmunderfire Major Leaguer Rising Star

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I love Davis, I love Markakis. There're our guys, but Hardy is a key piece to this team and he cannot get an extension.

His defense is showing no signs of slowing down. We need him in the future because with the sub par staff we need all the help we can get in run prevention. And some of our players like Britton are heavily reliant on him too.

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I love Davis, I love Markakis. There're our guys, but Hardy is a key piece to this team and he cannot get an extension.

His defense is showing no signs of slowing down. We need him in the future because with the sub par staff we need all the help we can get in run prevention. And some of our players like Britton are heavily reliant on him too.

He could have signed a 3/45 deal in the offseason. Now that he didn't and he's OPSing under .700, he'll be hard pressed to get what he wants from us.

That said, I'd try to get him back for 2 more years.

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He's easier to replace than the other two. And by replace, I mean move Manny to short and find yourself with a hole at 3B. Until you move Schoop to 3B, at which point you have a hole at 2B. Until you...

Exactly. The fact that we have no middle infielders ready in the system is all the more reason to sign JJ now. If he makes it to free agency he's going to the Yankees.

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He could have signed a 3/45 deal in the offseason. Now that he didn't and he's OPSing under .700, he'll be hard pressed to get what he wants from us.

That said, I'd try to get him back for 2 more years.

Wait, we offered $15M per for JJ? Where the heck have I been? Did he turn this down?

Either way, it is a catch 22 - I believe we will miss his stability greatly if we don't resign him (and especially if he ends in in NY). But, if we resign him we will probably regret the final years of the contract.

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Exactly. The fact that we have no middle infielders ready in the system is all the more reason to sign JJ now. If he makes it to free agency he's going to the Yankees.

I think JJ is a keeper, at least for three years, regardless of his offensive deterioration...IF he's willing to accept $10-12 million per year. Keeping him is just a heckuva lot simpler than trying to figure out which musical chairs to play in the infield.

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