(Almost) All Things Manny Machado....

[Uli2001]

1 minute ago, El Gordo said:

No your best two hitters bat second and 4th. Manny seemed to be more disciplined batting second.

I had also heard that your best hitter hits 3rd or 4th. Never 2nd. 

[El Gordo]

Just now, Uli2001 said:

Manny with the golden sombrero today. MLB career leaders in this stat:

Player	Sombreros	Major teams
Ryan Howard	27	Philadelphia Phillies
Reggie Jackson	23	New York Yankees, Oakland Athletics
Jim Thome	20	Cleveland Indians, Philadelphia Phillies
Adam Dunn	19	Chicago White Sox, Cincinnati Reds
Bo Jackson	19	Chicago White Sox, Kansas City Royals
Rob Deer	17	Milwaukee Brewers, Detroit Tigers
Sammy Sosa	17	Chicago Cubs, Texas Rangers
Jose Canseco	16	Texas Rangers, Oakland Athletics
Mark Reynolds	16	Arizona Diamondbacks, St. Louis Cardinals
Dick Allen	15	Philadelphia Phillies, Chicago White Sox
Andrés Galarraga	15	Montreal Expos, Colorado Rockies
Dave Kingman	15	New York Mets, San Francisco Giants

Pretty decent company.

[El Gordo]

Just now, Uli2001 said:

I had also heard that your best hitter hits 3rd or 4th. Never 2nd. 

Read The Book. Second and fourth tend to come up more often with runners on base. http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2009/3/17/795946/optimizing-your-lineup-by

[ORIOLE33]

I seem to remember Bonds, Arod and Griffey as 3rd place hitters.

I could be wrong. 

[Uli2001]

2 minutes ago, El Gordo said:

Read The Book. Second and fourth tend to come up more often with runners on base. http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2009/3/17/795946/optimizing-your-lineup-by

I see, but that apparently has not registered with most MLB managers. Bonds batted third during his 70-HR season.

[ORIOLE33]

5 minutes ago, El Gordo said:

Read The Book. Second and fourth tend to come up more often with runners on base. http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2009/3/17/795946/optimizing-your-lineup-by

And you look up all the websites online and just about all will tell you that your best all around hitter usually hits 3rd.

[El Gordo]

Just now, ORIOLE33 said:

I seem to remember Bonds, Arod and Griffey as 3rd place hitters.

I could be wrong. 

That's an old fasioned notion. Back when you had guys like Nellie Fox batting second. 

[El Gordo]

Just now, ORIOLE33 said:

And you look up all the websites online and just about all will tell you that your best all around hitter usually hits 3rd.

But what are the reason's they give? The difference in PA between third and fourth is negligible Wouldn't you rather have your best hitter hitting with men on base?

[Uli2001]

9 minutes ago, El Gordo said:

Pretty decent company.

I guess you have to hit a lot of bombs to be allowed to have that many sombreros. But still, no Bonds, Aaron, or Ruth (or Mays, Mantle, Murray, etc.) on that list. 

[El Gordo]

Just now, Uli2001 said:

I guess you have to hit a lot of bombs to be allowed to have that many sombreros. But still, no Bonds, Aaron, or Ruth (or Mays, Mantle, Murray, etc.) on that list. 

You think Manny belongs with that group. I don't

[ORIOLE33]

16 minutes ago, El Gordo said:

That's an old fasioned notion. Back when you had guys like Nellie Fox batting second. 

Mike Trout bats 3rd.

[Uli2001]

21 minutes ago, El Gordo said:

Read The Book. Second and fourth tend to come up more often with runners on base. http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2009/3/17/795946/optimizing-your-lineup-by

That was a strange piece. I had never heard that your number-3 hitter is an afterthought as the writer says. It makes not sense, the #3 hitter is in the middle of all the action. I can buy the idea of batting your best hitter second only if you place a high-OBP hitter batting ninth, as a few teams do. Then you have essentially two lead-off hitters ahead of your #2 hitter. Otherwise, it doesn't make sense to me.

[Uli2001]

12 minutes ago, El Gordo said:

You think Manny belongs with that group. I don't

Jury is still out. He has a lot of maturing to do, that's for sure. 

[ORIOLE33]

Also, having your best all around hitter hitting 3rd behind a couple of good table setters gives you the chance of a big 1st inning. 

[Norfolk orioles]

Manny sucks right now but so does everyone else on the team.

 

The only guy having intelligent at bats is Kim and he can't get into the lineup.

 

The approach appears to be swing for a home run every at bat, every pitch regardless of situation.

 

No bunting for basehits against shifts even when it could score a run and the guy at the plate is batting near the Mendoza line.

 

When it's teamwide, it's on Buck and Coolbaugh for not changing anyone's approaches.

 

I honestly think something is rotten in Denmark. This is the least fun I've ever seen a team have playing ball in the Buck era.

 

I have zero optimism right now, someone talk me down off the ledge.