Is now the time to extend Bud?

[weams]

No they let him walk on the 2nd time his deal came up not first.

Like Nick then. Ok.

[Guest]

If you were the owner and smart, you would give your GM a payroll and stay out of the Baseball ops part.

After 3 winning years i would give my GM a higher budget.

[Reboulet'sStache]

No they locked up players. And signed players like Holliday.

But they aren't really paying these players beyond their productive seasons. Somebody like Molina they have locked up for 3 more years, at just a 2 WAR price. Matt Holliday they don't have much past his prime. For the most part, they are extending guys at rates that will pay off, and then they are done with them before the negative returns hit. That is a smart move. And they can do that because they are getting a ton of value elsewhere. They can have the Wainwright or Molina or Holliday making 14m+ each, because their farm allows them to field a strong team elsewhere for so little. We aren't really at that point. We hope Manny and Schoop and Gausman and Walker and etc. allow us to do that in the next few years, but I haven't seen enough of either, due to talent or healthy, to fully believe either will. So why would we invest so much of our payroll in a small amount of players?

[Aristotelian]

I say trade or extend, one or the other. Either lock him up or get something back. I don't think he is good enough to get a QO.

I would incline toward trading him because he is coming off a career year and I would not bet on him repeating. That said, I like him a lot and if he got extended at market value I sure would not complain.

[Reboulet'sStache]

No they let him walk on the 2nd time his deal came up not first.

But they never paid market rate for him. They signed a contract that, yes, tied up a decent amount of money for a team of their payroll, but still give them big returns. Then when they felt they could no longer guarantee those returns, they told him to take a walk.

[Guest]

Take the Royals 2014 payroll of 90m got to the WS. The owner saw he had a window now the Royals payroll in 2015 will be 117. Now the way Dayton spent the money was dumb.

[33rdst]

IMO If i was the Owner and saw so many holes in 2016. Knowing i got 1 more year with this group. I would go for it in 2015.

This owner is never going to spend the way you want. What he has done though is hired two guys that give this team a chance to win year in and year out with the resources he gives them. The way they go about it is a lot of fun to watch. Maddening at times but fun.

[Guest]

But they never paid market rate for him. They signed a contract that' date=' yes, tied up a decent amount of money for a team of their payroll, but still give them big returns. Then when they felt they could no longer guarantee those returns, they told him to take a walk.[/quote']

Having players in the Minors help teams do that.

[weams]

After 3 winning years i would give my GM a higher budget.

I think the ownership will. A five to seven percent raise. Maybe as much as 124 million.

[weams]

Having players in the Minors help teams do that.

Being a well run organization for more than five season helps that as well. When you look to build the new highrise, you have to tear down the old unusable dwelling first.

[weams]

Take the Royals 2014 payroll of 90m got to the WS. The owner saw he had a window now the Royals payroll in 2015 will be 117. Now the way Dayton spent the money was dumb.

He had no window. He had already lost his best pitcher. And arguably his most feared hitter.

[Guest]

Being a well run organization for more than five season helps that as well. When you look to build the new highrise, you have to tear down the old unusable dwelling first.

I agree here. But if the Orioles had to tear it down what they did last year makes no sense then if that's your plan. You don't give up 2 picks.

[Guest]

He had no window. He had already lost his best pitcher. And arguably his most feared hitter.

Shield wasn't the best pitcher on that staff. Butler wasn't the most feared hitter.

[weams]

I agree here. But if the Orioles had to tear it down what they did last year makes no sense then if that's your plan. You don't give up 2 picks.

They had to tear down the old 14 year losing structure. Then they started building from within. All the while fielding a winning, fun team. And they got back a better pick for Cruz.

[weams]

Shield wasn't the best pitcher on that staff. Butler wasn't the most feared hitter.

Bet we win more games.