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I'm sorry this is just about the dumbest thing I have ever read on this board. Those of you who voted to fire DD, are completely nuts. After 14 years of losing we have had 3 winning seasons, 2 playoffs, 1 ALCS and 4th season (this one) in which we flopped but were competitive in August. You can all pretend like DD had nothing to do with that but its simply not based in reality. Wow

At the time DD was hired, this franchise was not sitting pretty, it was not some sleeping playoff giant waiting to be awakened, it was a job that NOBODY of consequence wanted. Almost nobody looked at the supposed treasure trove of goodies that AM left here and thought, geez, that is a team I can win with. If they had, there would have been some credible names interested in the job if only to use as a springboard to a better one. Lets not pretend people were banging down doors to be the GM because of the wealth of talent AM left. Did he contribute, sure he did, but in the end, it was DD who put the team over the top.

Quite a lot of revisionist history going on here.

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He's not quite as bad as the other guys is hardly a ringing endorsement.

Look at Ubaldo's stats in the second half, he has been as much to blame as anyone.

Pretty much. That and I think it was typical Duquette signing Ubaldo. He signed him because of an amazing second half in 2013. Once again, Duquette buying high. Like he bought high for Parra (look at what Parra has done in the last 30 games). He bought high for Travis Snider (DFA'd and now on a minor league contract for the Pirates).

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Pretty much. That and I think it was typical Duquette signing Ubaldo. He signed him because of an amazing second half in 2013. Once again, Duquette buying high. Like he bought high for Parra (look at what Parra has done in the last 30 games). He bought high for Travis Snider (DFA'd and now on a minor league contract for the Pirates).

By definition most free agents are buy high. DD signed the wrong one. Every GM has a deal or two they regret.

Again if you dealing for a player (Parra) at the trade deadline, are you not by definition essentially buying high? What was he supposed to do, trade for a guy hitting .200 and say he was buying a guy with some upside? I am sure that would have gone over well.

I was not a fan of the Parra deal. To me it seemed unlikely to move the needle much and I agree, Parra's numbers were much better than his career averages. I don't think though saying he bought high is fair, all GM's on winning teams buy high at the trade deadline.

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By definition most free agents are buy high. DD signed the wrong one. Every GM has a deal or two they regret.

Again if you dealing for a player (Parra) at the trade deadline, are you not by definition essentially buying high? What was he supposed to do, trade for a guy hitting .200 and say he was buying a guy with some upside? I am sure that would have gone over well.

I was not a fan of the Parra deal. To me it seemed unlikely to move the needle much and I agree, Parra's numbers were much better than his career averages. I don't think though saying he bought high is fair, all GM's on winning teams buy high at the trade deadline.

Sure, there's buying high on guys like Andrew Miller (stud reliever...injury history...but near elite numbers). And there's buying high on guys like Parra with a career OPS+ < 100, Snider (career OPS+ of 95 prior to 2015) and Jimenez (ERA+ of 90 last 3 years prior to signing with the O's). They didn't seem smart. And Parra was particularly egregious because the O's were *not* a playoff team at that point. It was a signing just to have a signing. And it really makes me question Duquette.

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True? Even after 2015?

I think that partly depends on how Duquette is treated. If one bad year in four gets him booted, a year after being executive of the year and with the franchise's only playoff appearances this century, that probably would feed into the idea that Angelos is erratic and unpleasant to work for.

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Sure, there's buying high on guys like Andrew Miller (stud reliever...injury history...but near elite numbers). And there's buying high on guys like Parra with a career OPS+ < 100, Snider (career OPS+ of 95 prior to 2015) and Jimenez (ERA+ of 90 last 3 years prior to signing with the O's). They didn't seem smart. And Parra was particularly egregious because the O's were *not* a playoff team at that point. It was a signing just to have a signing. And it really makes me question Duquette.

I agree there have been bad moves. There has been enough good ones and results to warrant letting him have one more year before letting him go.

Lets see how the farm system, aquisitions and record is this time next year and decide then.

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I wouldn't fire him, but I can understand the view to do so. It's mainly because it's not at all clear that he wants to stay here. And really, is there any way he could convince us that he does - after he clearly wanted to be with a division rival? And he's coming off of a very mediocre year as far as making moves here. I don't want someone here who doesn't want to be here.

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I wouldn't fire him, but I can understand the view to do so. It's mainly because it's not at all clear that he wants to stay here. And really, is there any way he could convince us that he does - after he clearly wanted to be with a division rival? And he's coming off of a very mediocre year as far as making moves here. I don't want someone here who doesn't want to be here.

If I decided I wanted him gone I would try and get him to quit.

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When he had success he was gracious and spread the love around.

When things went down the crapper this year, he manned up and said he did not do his job well.

This is America folks, home of second chances if your not an obnoxious jerk, DD like us is human, nobody is perfect. Lets give him a year to use the draft picks, retool some and show he can point this franchise back on the upswing, if its not working out in a year, then we can start breaking out the pitchforks.

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