Would you fire Duquette?

[Il BuonO]

I think there was more than a few people clamoring to trade Bud. But a lot of it was contingent on Gausman being developed properly. Something Duquette screwed up beyond all recognition.

Either way, it's not 100% Duquette's fault that this rotation has turned into a dumpster fire. But Ubaldo is his fault. So is not developing Gausman. So is not selling high on Norris. So is not having solid depth in the minors as far as mid rotation or impact starters are concerned. You don't think ERod would be paying dividends for the O's this year?

And Bud not being traded is on him unless there was no market. Ubaldo, who I remember you being a big supporter, was a bad signing but many here lauded the expenditure as a new day in Birdland. We'd finally broken through to the gruff exterior of the old man, it didn't matter on whom the money was being spent.

[TINSTAAPP]

No but he should be given a short leash. I'll give Buck a slightly longer leash as long as he leaves the young pitchers alone. Don't tinker with their mechanics or their windup or fill their heads about time to the plate and other nonsense. Don't jerk them around by having them skip starts or move to the bullpen or go down to the minors only to bring them up against after three starts. Leave them alone and let them figure things out on their own.

[Can_of_corn]

I think there was more than a few people clamoring to trade Bud. But a lot of it was contingent on Gausman being developed properly. Something Duquette screwed up beyond all recognition.

Either way, it's not 100% Duquette's fault that this rotation has turned into a dumpster fire. But Ubaldo is his fault. So is not developing Gausman. So is not selling high on Norris. So is not having solid depth in the minors as far as mid rotation or impact starters are concerned. You don't think ERod would be paying dividends for the O's this year?

But the O's would have failed to develop him.

Right?

[weams]

What do you think about the organization under Duquette?

I think it is much better quality. From top to bottom. Better scouts, Better draft team, better analytics. Much deeper quality.

[Bmorebirds24]

But the O's would have failed to develop him.

Right?

I sense sarcasm here but yes I think you're right.

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[LookitsPuck]

And Bud not being traded is on him unless there was no market. Ubaldo, who I remember you being a big supporter, was a bad signing but many here lauded the expenditure as a new day in Birdland. We'd finally broken through to the gruff exterior of the old man, it didn't matter on whom the money was being spent.

I was a big supporter?

http://www.stephenpauladams.com/articles/o-say-which-starting-pitcher/

I wrote this prior to the O's signing him:

The trick with Ubaldo is determining whether or not his 2013 was an aberration...or reverting back to his form with the Rockies (2007-2010). And the other problems being his inability to pitch deep into games. And his high walk rate. If you recall earlier, the Orioles pitching staff did not pitch deep into games in 2013 (averaging 5 2/3 IP per start). And while Ubaldo's strikeout rate would be very welcome....his walks and inability to go deep will end up hurting the O's. In addition the question mark of consistency will come into play. One thing is for sure about Ubaldo: he has a higher ceiling. But Ubaldo isn't a guy you bank on for teams like the O's. If the O's already had a pitcher like James Shields...sure...go get Ubaldo. But not in this situation.

I also hated having to give up a draft pick for such a wild card like him. Once again, Duquette buying high.

[weams]

No but he should be given a short leash. I'll give Buck a slightly longer leash as long as he leaves the young pitchers alone. Don't tinker with their mechanics or their windup or fill their heads about time to the plate and other nonsense. Don't jerk them around by having them skip starts or move to the bullpen or go down to the minors only to bring them up against after three starts. Leave them alone and let them figure things out on their own.

Who gets to hold these leashes?

[Il BuonO]

That's your interpretation.

Let me ask you a legitimate question, do you think Duquette could have turned Koji into Davis, Hunter? Tejada into Scott, Patton, etc.? Bedard into Jones, Tillman, etc.? I'm just curious what you think of Duquette's trade skills.

I haven't liked them of late. And yes I do think he could have made similar deals. People like to glorify past laurels as if they are on some unattainable peak.

He'd better get busy though. He's got nowhere else to be than Baltimore this winter (or wherever the meetings take place) and he better start dealing. Or else he could find himself on another ten year hiatus from the game.

[LookitsPuck]

But the O's would have failed to develop him.

Right?

And therein lies the rub. So essentially this organization is doomed unless they keep hitting big in free agency (?) and trading every single prospect they have, yeah? Or..heaven forbid...Duquette learns how to build an organization from a scouting and development standpoint. :shrug: At some point this club is going to have to hit big in the draft. And actually get them into the majors.

[Bmorebirds24]

I think it is much better quality. From top to bottom. Better scouts, Better draft team, better analytics. Much deeper quality.

Hard to say better draft team when nobody has made it and stuck since Gausman. And they jerked him around.

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[weams]

I haven't liked them of late. And yes I do think he could have made similar deals. People like to glorify past laurels as if they are on some unattainable peak.

He'd better get busy though. He's got nowhere else to be than Baltimore this winter (or wherever the meetings take place) and he better start dealing. Or else he could find himself on another ten year hiatus from the game.

Give me Bedard to deal. I'll make a good deal. We missed on the right Tejada deal. And Koji was out of the park.

[Nevermore]

What about replacing DD with Brady Anderson?

[Can_of_corn]

I sense sarcasm here but yes I think you're right.

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I was taking a shot at his inconsistent logic.

That being said, he didn't look like a sure fire prospect last year with the O's. (Yes I know there were some positive signs there if you knew where to look.)

[Il BuonO]

I was a big supporter?

http://www.stephenpauladams.com/articles/o-say-which-starting-pitcher/

I wrote this prior to the O's signing him:

I also hated having to give up a draft pick for such a wild card like him. Once again, Duquette buying high.

Maybe before hand, but I can dig up the posts where you are one of his more ardent supporters when he was going bad last season.

[LookitsPuck]

Give me Bedard to deal. I'll make a good deal. We missed on the right Tejada deal. And Koji was out of the park.

I think MacPhail did wonders with Tejada considering all the hoopla about to bubble up regarding PEDs and his real age. Getting Luke Scott was huge IMHO. 8 WAR in 4 years. Patton 3.1 WAR in ~5 years. There's 11.1 WAR right there.