Front Office issues

[wildcard]

I don't see why there is fiction between Buck and Dan over the Toronto thing. I think Buck understands why Dan wanted to go. I think Buck understands why Angelos wanted to hold Dan to his contract and demand a high price to let Dan go. Buck and Dan are probably both are unhappy for the way the season has gone. I don't call that tension between to the two of them.

If Buck is mad at anyone its probably his pitchers for not being about to repeat their 2014 performances. Or maybe some of the guys that had be released or traded for non performance. I doubt that affect his relationship with Dan.

Is their tension be Dan and Angelos? Maybe. But nothing a winning 2016 would not cure.

If Dan wants to be seen in the industry as a desirable baseball President on day he has to do one thing. Show that he can keep the O's as a winning franchise.

[weams]

From a talent perspective Baltimore was a very enticing job last time around. The industry perception of the job is what kept folks away. I don't think it's a lack of talent or payroll that would keep a would-be GM away. I think it's the same crap that would arguably keep GMs from wanting to jump between Moreno and Scioscia.

The idea that the organization will not give you the latitude to pursue better opportunities is a bigger deal for the guys lower on the food chain, since GMs don't have many opportunities for a "bump". But it's enough of a concern that you notice when an organization is perceived as obstructionist.

Maybe none of it matters. Maybe it does. I hear the same complaints about the Orioles from scouts, same statements folks wouldn't take a promotion in Baltimore. Winning seasons don't erase the issues with which people are concerned when pursuing potential employment gigs. That's all I meant.

Shapiro was not executive of the year. In fact his future with the organization was in doubt and he was not subject to a long term contract.

[weams]

Which response would you hope your employer would have:

As far as no bump, maybe. But Shapiro sees something unique in the position being offered:

Indians received no compensation.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2558495-mark-shapiro-to-blue-jays-latest-contract-details-comments-and-reaction

Closed ecosystem. 30 gigs. Eventually, you stay open to all opportunities.

[Stotle]

Shapiro was not executive of the year. In fact his future with the organization was in doubt and he was not subject to a long term contract.

I don't believe those are distinctions with meaning. And I don't necessarily agree in any event.

[weams]

I don't see why there is fiction between Buck and Dan over the Toronto thing. I think Buck understands why Dan wanted to go. I think Buck understands why Angelos wanted to hold Dan to his contract and demand a high price to let Dan go. Buck and Dan are probably both are unhappy for the way the season has gone. I don't call that tension between to the two of them.

If Buck is mad at anyone its probably his pitchers for not being about to repeat their 2014 performances. Or maybe some of the guys that had be released or traded for non performance. I doubt that affect his relationship with Dan.

Is their tension be Dan and Angelos? Maybe. But nothing a winning 2016 would not cure.

I have been told that Buck and Dan were never likely to hangout together outside of work. Completely different dudes with an excellent synergy in Baltimore.

[weams]

I don't believe those are distinctions with meaning. And I don't necessarily agree in any event.

That's fine. You don't have to.

[Stotle]

It's simple. If you want to work in Baltimore, don't accept a six year contract. Get a shorter one with less personal security. Besides, Klentak was given the opportunity to leave. As was Joe Jordan. Scott Profrock, Kevin Malone. Heck. Even Larry Luccino!

Just because the guy that sports sites write about won't necessarily want the gig in Baltimore doesn't mean Baltimore can't get someone good. That's the silver lining. No one can even figure out if they are interviewing the right people. This stuff is not as precise as people think.

[wildcard]

I have been told that Buck and Dan were never likely to hangout together outside of work. Completely different dudes with an excellent synergy in Baltimore.

Yet they turned a franchise around from 14 years of losing. Their joint working is well documented at this point. That they are not drinking buddies is not really relevant. Winning is.

From what I have read, Dan and Buck talk every day. All year long. They plan together.

[El Gordo]

I don't think the baseball community has it in for the O's, I think they don't like PA. He is not a member of their club, he has mistreated many in their fraternity, and doesn't play the game the right way from their perspective. No doubt they are happy to feed hungry writers any dirt they might have that puts him and his organization in a bad light.

[eddie83]

I don't think the baseball community has it in for the O's, I think they don't like PA. He is not a member of their club, he has mistreated many in their fraternity, and doesn't play the game the right way from their perspective. No doubt they are happy to feed hungry writers any dirt they might have that puts him and his organization in a bad light.

I agree he is an easy target. I haven't read many positive stories about him even in the previous 3 seasons.

[hoosiers]

I'm sick of that attitude. He signed a 6-year deal that Angelos didn't have to give him. I'm sure he's disappointed Angelos didn't let him go, but I don't consider it bush league for a team to hold a guy to a contract, especially when they already gave him a better deal once that provided tremendous long term security. Duquette should do his job professionally regardless of any disappointment on his part, and frankly, I think he has done that. I'm not one of those people who believes Dan would have done anything differently for the Orioles last winter if Toronto hadn't come knocking.

You sound like a lawyer - which is how PA acted.

DD did sign a contract and PA is holding him to that contract and has denied DD a promotion and a raise that DD wanted. I do consider that poor sport.

I am sure the last thing PA wanted to do in January, out of the blue, was to put forth the effort to find a new GM. PA put his own interests ahead of DD's. I would assume that is something noticed in the industry.

[eddie83]

Yet they turned a franchise around from 14 years of losing. Their joint working is well documented at this point. That they are not drinking buddies is not really relevant. Winning is.

From what I have read, Dan and Buck talk every day. All year long. They plan together.

If there is friction between the two it doesn't have to be about the Toronto situation. How many managers in the sport are like Buck? Most now are just puppets for their GM.

[Can_of_corn]

You sound like a lawyer - which is how PA acted.

DD did sign a contract and PA is holding him to that contract and has denied DD a promotion and a raise that DD wanted. I do consider that poor sport.

I am sure the last thing PA wanted to do in January, out of the blue, was to put forth the effort to find a new GM. PA put his own interests ahead of DD's. I would assume that is something noticed in the industry.

So if you are a business owner and have a valued employee with tons of proprietary information under contract and it comes to your attention that the employee is talking to one of your competitors behind your back with the intention of jumping ship and then probably trying to hire away a bunch of your other employees you would be fine with him just leaving?

[weams]

Just because the guy that sports sites write about won't necessarily want the gig in Baltimore doesn't mean Baltimore can't get someone good. That's the silver lining. No one can even figure out if they are interviewing the Even the great choices sometime bomb.

[weams]

Just because the guy that sports sites write about won't necessarily want the gig in Baltimore doesn't mean Baltimore can't get someone good. That's the silver lining. No one can even figure out if they are interviewing the right people. This stuff is not as precise as people think.

I agree completely.

Even the great choices sometime bomb.