Front Office issues

[Going Underground]

Maybe Duquette is still unhappy and wanted this story planted now since the season is almost over.I don't think the MASN lollipop cure would bring this up.Never brought up the Jones comments on a meeting with Angelos. But they need a job.Maybe Connolly would ask about this. Maybe Schmuck but he has to be careful.

[Going Underground]

So if you are a business owner and have a valued employee with tons of proprietary information under contract and it comes to your attention that the employee is talking to one of your competitors behind your back with the intention of jumping ship and then probably trying to hire away a bunch of your other employees you would be fine with him just leaving?

No,but you might get rid of him and sign an agreement that he can't work for a competitor for a few years. Companies usually don't want those people in their organization because it usually ends ugly .

[Can_of_corn]

No,but you might get rid of him and sign an agreement that he can't work for a competitor for a few years. Companies usually don't want those people in their organization because it usually ends ugly .

Which would be fine, but you don't just say, Sure go ahead, good luck!

Not when it is a direct competitor.

[Going Underground]

Which would be fine, but you don't just say, Sure go ahead, good luck!

Not when it is a direct competitor.

Agreed. But if am employee wants to go somewhere else and he is stopped sometimes they lose the team concept and become an organizational issue.

[Can_of_corn]

Agreed. But if am employee wants to go somewhere else and he is stopped sometimes they lose the team concept and become an organizational issue.

You should be able to tell if that is the case.

If he is that type of person why would you promote him to that level to begin with?

[Stotle]

I agree completely.

Even the great choices sometime bomb.

And I don't think teams even truly know who the great choices are. Outside of the "Top Ten Future GMs" pieces periodically run...which are usually the author's sources/friends...who usually write-up their own bios for said piece.

[eddie83]

You should be able to tell if that is the case.

If he is that type of person why would you promote him to that level to begin with?

Who would have thought this scenario would ever happen though? How many of these types of positions in the entire sport exist?

I get why Angelos did what he did, all I care about is can this all work going foward.

[AdamK]

Timing... is everything.

[Nevermore]

Another article about Buck and Dan having tension as well as execs upset that Dan wasn't compensated for not going to Toronto. Execs say it was bush league that he wasn't allowed to leave. Also talk of budget.

If there are issues they need to be resolved now. This talk isn't healthy.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2015/09/19/ben-cherington-sees-fruits-his-labor-from-afar/CECkc8QALvvq4UOuI03GKJ/story.html

I can't find this article that you're referring to.

[eddie83]

I can't find this article that you're referring to.

The link you just quoted still works fine for me. MLB Trade Rumors has it up as well.

[Nevermore]

The link you just quoted still works fine for me. MLB Trade Rumors has it up as well.

Found it. I didn't scroll down far enough.

I'm not commenting on much of anything here. There are a lot of "major league sources say" and "it has been said" and similar sorts of non-sources. I understand that some sources give information only on the condition of anonymity but when the vast majority of sources are "people say," etc. it weakens the credibility of the article.

[hoosiers]

So if you are a business owner and have a valued employee with tons of proprietary information under contract and it comes to your attention that the employee is talking to one of your competitors behind your back with the intention of jumping ship and then probably trying to hire away a bunch of your other employees you would be fine with him just leaving?

Top employees leave all the time. The good ones have non-competes - which generally don't prevent one from working for a competitor - just that the employee can't bring over proprietary information or go after customers for a period of time.

Still, it's not a good analogy because DD was offered a promotion, significant long term job security and presumably a large raise. In baseball, it is normal operating procedure for teams to let go of employees offered such opportunities by other organizations. And it's not like the Os didn't poach DeMacio from the Braves or Jordan from the Marlins. This kind of stuff happens all the time and I think it is somewhat unusual for a baseball owner to deny an employee a desired job somewhere else.

I do agree it is not cool to see a successful GM of the Os poached by a division rival, but that's why there was some significant compensation discussed.

[SteveO]

Here is the rub.

If the Blue Jays had done this whole process correctly and started their search and announced their intent at the end of the season last year and the O's refused to let DD pursue that opportunity when it is an accepted practice to let guys do so.........then to me that would have been totally bush league.

The Blue Jays instead got cute about it, waited till the winter meetings while we are scrambling to figure out who is coming, going blah blah blah to announce their intent and then preceded to act like awwww shucks when asked to explain....Why now?

The Blue Jays were in the wrong. PA was right to refuse the request. You do not get "traditional" considerations given about letting guys move up when the team trying to get the guy ignores all the "traditional conventions" about how to go about doing such a thing.

I don't get why the O's are the bad guy here and I personally think this tension over it is hog wash. DD is smart enough to know what the Jays did was bush league, he is also smart enough to take the giant raise and security associated with that bush league move if it worked out....if not....I doubt he has this lingering grudge.

If there is tension there its coming from the other direction (ownership) and I doubt that is the case also. PA is a lawyer, businessman and has been around long enough to know that a guy who does not consider a huge raise and promotion regardless of the events that led to such offer, is a guy who lacks the ambition to be successful in today's cut throat business world.

[spiritof66]

Found it. I didn't scroll down far enough.

I'm not commenting on much of anything here. There are a lot of "major league sources say" and "it has been said" and similar sorts of non-sources. I understand that some sources give information only on the condition of anonymity but when the vast majority of sources are "people say," etc. it weakens the credibility of the article.

I agree, in spades. This is crap journalism. When Cafardo says "There's been talk of friction between Duquette and [buck]," he could be referring to comments on this board.

Last week, the same "reporter" had a piece on how terrific it would be for the Sox to sign Chris Davis, calling him a "guaranteed 40/40 guy" who can play four positions (including LF, where Chris has 11 ML games) and listing 11 potential bidders for him, that reads like it was written by Scott Boras. https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2015/09/16/onball/eK09bwWLhyJrvOgA8qeUxI/story.html

There may well be problems between Duquette and the owner or manager based on the events of last December, the team's disappointing play and record, the waste of precious payroll dollars on guys who were released, Parra's lackluster performance, the emergence of Arrieta, etc., etc. But IMO this article doesn't add a thing to what we know or surmise about those problems and their potential effect on the team.

[AdamK]

Here is the rub.

If the Blue Jays had done this whole process correctly and started their search and announced their intent at the end of the season last year and the O's refused to let DD pursue that opportunity when it is an accepted practice to let guys do so.........then to me that would have been totally bush league.

The Blue Jays instead got cute about it, waited till the winter meetings while we are scrambling to figure out who is coming, going blah blah blah to announce their intent and then preceded to act like awwww shucks when asked to explain....Why now?

The Blue Jays were in the wrong. PA was right to refuse the request. You do not get "traditional" considerations given about letting guys move up when the team trying to get the guy ignores all the "traditional conventions" about how to go about doing such a thing.

I don't get why the O's are the bad guy here and I personally think this tension over it is hog wash. DD is smart enough to know what the Jays did was bush league, he is also smart enough to take the giant raise and security associated with that bush league move if it worked out....if not....I doubt he has this lingering grudge.

If there is tension there its coming from the other direction (ownership) and I doubt that is the case also. PA is a lawyer, businessman and has been around long enough to know that a guy who does not consider a huge raise and promotion regardless of the events that led to such offer, is a guy who lacks the ambition to be successful in today's cut throat business world.

YES, except I don't think they got cute, they were totally inept -- which set forth a chain of events that made things suddenly unfortunate for us. Remember, the Jays also spoke to the CWS guy directly. They also "consulted" the NYY for what to do.

If Dan wanted to leave, I came around to that, but the Jays don't just get to tamper with something so big and skate.

You can't unring a bell.