Are Orioles Or Nationals The Bigger Disappointment In 2015?

[Mayor McCheese]

It's gotta be the Nats.

Bringing in Max knowing you are gonna lose JZim and get nothing out of that rotation in the post season is a huge letdown.

But like others have said they still do have some talented players coming up.

As far as the Orioles. Ughhh DJ Stewart... REALLY!!?!?!?

[QBsILLEST1]

How good do you think our rotation really is?

Tillman is not a #1

Gonzo and Norris are back end rotation starters.

For our starters 2014 was an outlier year. They over performed

Tillman WAS a 2/3 type starter from 12 to 14. Gonzalez had pretty similar production over the same span. Norris ERA in 2015 was what double what it was between 13 and 14. Even if he really isn't what we saw in 14, he still should have been expected to be a passable starting pitcher.

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[Mayor McCheese]

Tillman WAS a 2/3 type starter from 12 to 14. Gonzalez had pretty similar production over the same span. Norris ERA in 2015 was what double what it was between 13 and 14. Even if he really isn't what we saw in 14, he still should have been expected to be a passable starting pitcher.

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Still IMO they would never come close to repeating those stats again. Most of them can't even get through 5 innings.

I am just saying I was expecting much out of this rotation. The minute they paid Norris and didn't trade him I knew it was going downhill.

[Drifter]

I disagree. We are way better than we performed. Our starting pitching let us down straight up. Tillman, Gonzo, Norris and Gausman all underperformed.

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I'd say take Gausman off, and replace him with Jimenez. The O's started 2015 with the 2014 rotation. Gausman didn't know if he was the 5th starter, a reliever, playing for the Tides or O's.

As for biggest disappointment, I feel it was the O's (organizationally). The FO stumbled, the SP's faltered, the lineup was in a state of flux for 9/10 of the year. They had a lot of chances to take the division lead and run with it.

The Nats FO had them in a good position, and NO ONE outside of NY expected the Mets to play this good all year.

[Nevermore]

Tillman WAS a 2/3 type starter from 12 to 14. Gonzalez had pretty similar production over the same span. Norris ERA in 2015 was what double what it was between 13 and 14. Even if he really isn't what we saw in 14, he still should have been expected to be a passable starting pitcher.

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We actually don't truly know about Gonzo's season. He was on the DL and seemed to be still affected after coming off the DL. Back to the DL went he. Who knows when he'll pitch again?

[wildcard]

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It is amazing how many O's fans find rivalries and hatreds out of other teams where that fan base could give a rusty nail about the O's. When the BOSOX, Yankees, Nats, MAriners, Mets, BJays, Rays... don't play the Orioles, how often are the Orioles mentioned on those fans' message boards.

O's Nats is a milquetoast rivalry. Most O's fans were, at one time, O's fans. Those that I now in Howard County, still follow the O's as their AL team. The only animoisty is against O's ownership for screwing the Nats with MASN. But there's nothing against the team on the field.

THe O's aren't a disappointment this season. THeir fate was sealed by spring traiing when the team failed to adequately replace the players lost from last year. They have played as well as could be expected from the talent they put out. I am severly disappointed that my division winners from last year represent the high water mark of the franchise this century, rathr than the first step towards this years Championship

I have no hatred for the Nats. I just don't care about them. If I had expectations for the Nats then I would be disappointed in them. But I had no expectation for them. My expectation was for the O's to be a contender again this year. I am disappointed that did not happen.

[wildcard]

If you can't write an objective response then don't even reply. What's the point in saying 'My team is most disappointing because they are my team'? That's some pre-school logic bro.

The answer is the Nationals by a huge amount and it's not even close. Look at their rotation versus ours. That's a championship rotation.

Also their payroll is much higher than ours.

My perspective is different from yours. And unlike you I don't have to be insulting to express it.

[JR Oriole]

The Nats are the bigger disappointment to me. They have 100 win talent on that roster and should have been much better. They have played better of late, but I think they did the exact same thing in 2013.....stink for a long time and then turn on the jets when it was too late.

I am not sure that I would call the Os a disappointment based on their actual roster this year. The FO is a disappointment because they slept through the offseason while other teams' FOs actually worked, but other than that, I don't blame our season too much on the players. Outside of going 0-7 against Minnesota, which is really pathetic, the team did the best they could I think.

[weams]

Let me remind that personal insults are not appropriate posts.

[Frobby]

My perspective is different from yours. And unlike you I don't have to be insulting to express it.

It seems pretty obvious that the point of the thread was who has been more disappointing from an objective point of view. Otherwise, there would be very little point in posting a thread like this on an Orioles' message board, where everyone cares passionately about the Orioles and only a few care at all about the Nats.

So, back in that vein -- there were very few objective sources picking the Orioles to win another division title, and there were a number that picked them to be under .500. PECOTA had us winning 78 games. Vegas had our over/under at 84.5, while the Nats were at 93, the highest in MLB. So, the Nats were far more disappointing, from an objective point of view, in terms of missing the playoffs. On the other hand, at least they have a winning record.

[wildcard]

It seems pretty obvious that the point of the thread was who has been more disappointing from an objective point of view. Otherwise, there would be very little point in posting a thread like this on an Orioles' message board, where everyone cares passionately about the Orioles and only a few care at all about the Nats.

So, back in that vein -- there were very few objective sources picking the Orioles to win another division title, and there were a number that picked them to be under .500. PECOTA had us winning 78 games. Vegas had our over/under at 84.5, while the Nats were at 93, the highest in MLB. So, the Nats were far more disappointing, from an objective point of view, in terms of missing the playoffs. On the other hand, at least they have a winning record.

Seem that the reason of posting the thread on the OH was to solicit opinions. If they knew the the answer they wanted why start the thread. I wasn't the only one that said the Orioles were the most disappointing.

Just because I think differently from you does not make you wrong.

[TheDirtyBird]

Seem that the reason of posting the thread on the OH was to solicit opinions. If they knew the the answer they wanted why start the thread. I wasn't the only one that said the Orioles were the most disappointing.

Just because I think differently from you does not make you wrong.

Well actually no. As Frobby said, this thread was about being objective, not "I couldn't care less what the Nats do." You put personal feelings aside and look at the teams as a whole coming into the season. Your statement is purely emotional on the part of the O's and your disdain for the Nats. If you said the Orioles had the more disappointing season because X and Y, then yea sure, but you provided no substance with that statement.

[Frobby]

Seem that the reason of posting the thread on the OH was to solicit opinions. If they knew the the answer they wanted why start the thread. I wasn't the only one that said the Orioles were the most disappointing.

Just because I think differently from you does not make you wrong.

Sorry, I can't buy your logic here. Sure they wanted to solicit opinions, but not opinions on "I like the Orioles and not the Nats, so the Orioles are more disappointing.". Literally 99% of the posters feel that way, me included, of course.

What they were looking for were some objective reasons why the O's were more disappointing than the Nats. I'll try to make the case, though it's hard:

1. The O's have had a bigger dropoff from last year's record than the Nats.

2. The O's spent a substantial part of the season under .500 (for 66 of the 150 games played, we've been under .500), and may finish under .500; the Nats have been over .500 most of the time and are likely to finish several games over .500.

3. We had a lower bar to make the playoffs (it may only take 85-86 wins in the AL, while it probably will take 90+ to make the playoffs in the NL), and still failed to do do.

There's the objective case. But I still think it fails because the expectations for the Nats were significantly higher.

[wildcard]

Sorry, I can't buy your logic here. Sure they wanted to solicit opinions, but not opinions on "I like the Orioles and not the Nats, so the Orioles are more disappointing.". Literally 99% of the posters feel that way, me included, of course.

What they were looking for were some objective reasons why the O's were more disappointing than the Nats. I'll try to make the case, though it's hard:

1. The O's have had a bigger dropoff from last year's record than the Nats.

2. The O's spent a substantial part of the season under .500 (for 66 of the 150 games played, we've been under .500), and may finish under .500; the Nats have been over .500 most of the time and are likely to finish several games over .500.

3. We had a lower bar to make the playoffs (it may only take 85-86 wins in the AL, while it probably will take 90+ to make the playoffs in the NL), and still failed to do do.

There's the objective case. But I still think it fails because the expectations for the Nats were significantly higher.

There is nothing wrong with your explanation but its not the only way to think about the question.

dis ap point ment/ˌdisəˈpointmənt/

noun

the feeling of sadness or displeasure caused by the nonfulfillment of one's hopes or expectations.

I expected the O's to be a playoff team this year thus my disappointment with their performance.

I don't care about the Nats and had not expectation for the them. No expectation, no disappointment.

Now those who had expectations for the Nats could have a different answer. But that is not me.

[DrungoHazewood]

Seem that the reason of posting the thread on the OH was to solicit opinions. If they knew the the answer they wanted why start the thread. I wasn't the only one that said the Orioles were the most disappointing.

Just because I think differently from you does not make you wrong.

Just because I think differently from you doesn't make me above criticism. Often people start threads where they pose a question they clearly know the answer to so they can get validation for their point of view, or to just start a discussion. I think this is one of those cases, since the Nats were one of, if not the favorites to win the Series and they're going to miss the playoffs. Most objective observers had the O's as a 80-something win team, and they'll be in that ballpark.