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I honestly think the Orioles may consider brining back Matuasz as a left=handed starter candidate. It's a risky proposition but with Chen's expected departure, there are no good left-handed options in house.

Good point. And I think that Matuzs may actually be ready to do a decent job in the rotation. I know that Brian gets hammered hard on this board, but he is a solid LH reliever, and I think he has earned a shot to get back in the rotation. The fact that he dissapointed after being a first round pick, and all of the high expectations that come along with that, its been a little unfair with the criticism around here.

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I honestly think the Orioles may consider brining back Matuasz as a left=handed starter candidate. It's a risky proposition but with Chen's expected departure, there are no good left-handed options in house.

Question: is the offseason workout / throwing regime different for someone who is [hoping to be] a 200+ inning starter than it would be for someone who projects as a short reliever?

Just wondering, if they had any plans in that direction, would they have directed Brian to do anything differently in the offseason? Or could they wait until spring training to implement a decision like that.

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Good point. And I think that Matuzs may actually be ready to do a decent job in the rotation. I know that Brian gets hammered hard on this board, but he is a solid LH reliever, and I think he has earned a shot to get back in the rotation. The fact that he dissapointed after being a first round pick, and all of the high expectations that come along with that, its been a little unfair with the criticism around here.

Last three years as a reliever Matusz' FIP/xFIP are in the high threes. Back-of-the-napkin that indicates his ERA as a starter would be in the high fours.

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Last three years as a reliever Matusz' FIP/xFIP are in the high threes. Back-of-the-napkin that indicates his ERA as a starter would be in the high fours.

I like Matusz, but he's terrible against right handed hitters. He was better in 2015, but I think for his career, righties bat .300 against him. Not sure how a pitcher who can't get righties out can be a starter. He's a textbook lefty specialist.

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yea all of this sudden talk about moving Matusz to the rotation makes 0 sense to me.

He's a fair reliever.........and even solid relievers typically translate to pretty bad starters. This is why so many failed starters end up going to the bullpen!

It would make MUCH more sense to me if they were to experiment with Britton in this way because he's a power throwing sinker baller.....but I doubt they want to mess with what he's doing in the bullpen.

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I like Matusz, but he's terrible against right handed hitters. He was better in 2015, but I think for his career, righties bat .300 against him. Not sure how a pitcher who can't get righties out can be a starter. He's a textbook lefty specialist.

I'm thinking that he modified his approach to fit his role, leading to greater splits as a LOOGY than he might otherwise have.

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yea all of this sudden talk about moving Matusz to the rotation makes 0 sense to me.

He's a fair reliever.........and even solid relievers typically translate to pretty bad starters. This is why so many failed starters end up going to the bullpen!

It would make MUCH more sense to me if they were to experiment with Britton in this way because he's a power throwing sinker baller.....but I doubt they want to mess with what he's doing in the bullpen.

They had said specifically that they will not do this.

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yea all of this sudden talk about moving Matusz to the rotation makes 0 sense to me.

He's a fair reliever.........and even solid relievers typically translate to pretty bad starters. This is why so many failed starters end up going to the bullpen!

It would make MUCH more sense to me if they were to experiment with Britton in this way because he's a power throwing sinker baller.....but I doubt they want to mess with what he's doing in the bullpen.

The one run reliever/starter rule of thumb is just that, some players have bigger/smaller conversion numbers. So like almost everything in baseball you can convince yourself that your guy is the one who the rule of thumb doesn't apply to.
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The one run reliever/starter rule of thumb is just that, some players have bigger/smaller conversion numbers. So like almost everything in baseball you can convince yourself that your guy is the one who the rule of thumb doesn't apply to.

How about if that reliever actually already has a HISTORY of being a failed starter?

And in fact had one of the worst single season performances as a starter in all of MLB history?

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To back up with actual numbers:

Matusz's career as a starter: 354 Innings Pitched, 5.51 ERA

Matusz's career as a reliever: 165 Innings Pitched, 3.16 ERA (and keep in mind for this he's been used much more exclusively against LHB where he's advantaged)

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Teams would stack righties vs Matusz and he doesn't have the command to be a starter anyway. His velocity would go down. I don't want him facing a righty with a game on the line late as it is. I don't see how a match up lefty can convert back to an effective starter in the AL East.

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How about if that reliever actually already has a HISTORY of being a failed starter?

And in fact had one of the worst single season performances as a starter in all of MLB history?

It's not a point in his favor that he had an epic level failure in 2011. But he's clearly not that bad now. I don't know that he's good enough to be an asset in the rotation, but he's not the same pitcher he was then. If he was he'd have bounced out of an indy league years ago.

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