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The Case for P. Alvarez

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El Gordo Hangout Grand Counsel

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Lol, and Earl also dug the long ball. Pitching, defense and the 3 run HR. We have the defense, adding Alvarez puts us over the top on the long ball. Can we get the pitching? These guys are not Palmer, McNally, Cuellar and company are they?
3R HR are great, but in order to have them, you have to have 2 men on base. We currently have maybe 3 who can do that with any regularity.
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If Trumbo goes down, sure. But he's redundant because of Chris Davis (lots of K's and HRs) and Mark Trumbo (Alvarez' optimum position at DH and nowhere near a glove).

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Reimold and Rickard are redundant. Trumbo and Alvarez are redundant. Would you rather have the extra one of Reimold/Rickard or Alvarez if an injury suddenly makes them not redundant?

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I do not know much about Alvarez's personality, but I wonder how he would adjust from being a guy who plays most of the time to a guy who plays about half the time. In a vacuum, if you could get 90% of his PA vs. RHP, he seems like he'd be highly effective, but I'm not sure he'd cotton to it in reality.

I missed this earlier - this is a good point. I'm sure he's not going to be happy transitioning to a part-time player, and it could hurt his performance. But the reality is, he's not going to have an opportunity to play full time in the major leagues without an injury and a team getting desperate. I did the AL DH/1B earlier. For completeness, I'll do the NL 1B, who'd have to be able to play the OF for Alvarez to get ABs:

ATL: Freeman. No fit.

MIA: Bour. Also, a very full OF. No fit.

NYM: Duda. No fit.

PHI: Howard. I suppose they could just cut Howard and sign Alvarez? Unlikely.

WAS: Zimmerman. I'm sure WAS would like a backup but that's still a bad scenario for Alvarez's playing time. No fit.

CHC: Rizzo. No fit.

CIN: Votto. No fit.

MIL: Carter. Would be a hilarious combo. Not a bad platoon either. Still, probably unlikely.

PIT: Jaso. No fit.

STL: Moss and Adams already around. No fit.

ARI: Goldschmidt. No fit.

COL: Paulsen/Reynolds. Probably Alvarez's best shot. Dunno how committed they are to Paulsen. He's not very good, but he has lots of team control left. Likely best fit.

LAD: A-Gon. No fit.

SD: Myers. He could definitely be playing OF part time. They've got Jay, Upton, Kemp in the OF. Maybe something there.

SF: Belt. He plays the OF, but only to accommodate Posey. They've also got a full OF with Pence, Span, Pagan, Blanco. No fit.

If I had to guess, Boras is engaging BAL, CLE, HOU, SD, COL, and MIL, trying to get the most money. Playing time would be better with the NL teams as a 1B, but given his absolute butcher job as a fielder the last two years, he may not even be worth the headache for those teams. They might not even take him for the league minimum - he has been replacement level by fWAR the last two years. The fact that he's gone this long unsigned, with absolutely zero rumors from NL teams, tells me that those teams have very little interest in him, no matter the price. In that case, he's going to fall right into our laps, because the opportunity here is better than in CLE and HOU, even as a bench player.

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Reimold and Rickard are redundant. Trumbo and Alvarez are redundant. Would you rather have the extra one of Reimold/Rickard or Alvarez if an injury suddenly makes them not redundant?

Reimold/Rickard. Alvarez' agent is Scott Boras, and he won't settle for more than 2 years.

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But how do we get Trumbo the playing time? My biggest question with this.

If they sign Fowler I think it would be hard to carry Alvarez.

Your bench would be Alvarez, Rickard, Flaherty, and Joseph?

One injury would derail everything....in game switches would be hard due to little flexibility.

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There's just really no need for Alvarez. It's getting him just because he's there, rather than we have a big need. And it would require more machinations in terms of the lineup that also aren't necessary. I'm perfectly content to punt on Alvarez. Maybe if we didn't already get Trumbo, I might be more interested.

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If the Orioles sign Fowler, Alvarez would almost certainly not want to sign where he won't get enough at bats to put up a season that could net him a good contract next year. The Orioles wouldn't be all that interested, either, IMO, since they really wouldn't have a need for him. I don't see either party being attracted to a deal if Fowler signs with Baltimore.

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If trumbo, davis, aj, manny, Kim, or fowler get a major injury ie 60 day dl worthy), bring pedro in if he is available. Otherwise, save the roster spot.

Kim should get a long leash this year. The upside is there. Give the man a chance to acclimate to US baseball. Dont want him to be pressing if he is worried about losing his job to pedro alvarez (well it would really be trumbo/davis directly replacing him with pedro dhing.

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They could play Trumbo at LF or RF, make Kim the fourth OF and have Alvarez platoon at DH with Reimold or Dariel Alvarez. But yes, I really don't see the need for him. I would much rather have them take a flyer on another pitcher.

Why would you make your worst of the three outfielders (Trumbo) play the outfield, while Reimold or Dariel Alvarez DH? Why would you sign Alvarez to platoon at DH if you were already relegating Kim to the bench? There's a reasonable chance Kim is a better hitter than Alvarez.

If I were Pedro Alvarez I'd probably just wait around until someone has an injury in spring training and sign with them. That's probably better than signing a one-year deal with the Orioles to maybe be a platoon DH. And if I'm the Orioles and I look at the current roster I'm struggling to find a place for a platoon DH.

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