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When the trade originally went down, I thought it was a terrible decision to begin with. I wouldn't say I'm extremely high on Davies but he may very well turn out to be someone who could round out your rotation etc.

Personally, the O's didn't look like a playoff team to me last year and trading Davies for a player like Parra didn't seem like a wise move as it wouldn't help much.

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Parra was horrible

Lose 6-7 years of Davies: obviously, there is no way to tell if the O's still had Davies if he even would be considered for the rotation.

Let's say for arguments sake, Davies was still with the team, had a few good starts to end 2015 and was told he would be able to battle it out for a rotation spot.

Would DD still be looking to sign Gallardo? Or maybe DD would have been more aggressive going after Fister etc instead?

Davies plus 14th pick or Gallardo minus the pick plus his salary

Tillman

Ubaldo

MG

Gausman

Davies

As I'm writing all this, maybe I'm answering my own question. I can't see DD going in the season with that rotation either.

Anyway, wrote this all up might as well post it now.

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No. Zach Davies probably isn't even going to make the Brewers' rotation, so he's probably not the answer for a club that wants to contend. Most observers project Chase Anderson, who they got from the Diamondbacks, to be the 5th starter (the Brewers themselves have Zach listed 6th on their depth chart). Even if he does win the spot, it will be at the back end.

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Last year both Wilson and Wright were called up in May, while Davies was left in Norfolk. It seems unlikely, at least to me, that Davies would have prevented the Orioles from acquiring another starter when Wilson/Wright didn't. I know Tony really likes Davies, but I think most other sources don't have a whole lot of separation between those three.

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Last year both Wilson and Wright were called up in May, while Davies was left in Norfolk. It seems unlikely, at least to me, that Davies would have prevented the Orioles from acquiring another starter when Wilson/Wright didn't. I know Tony really likes Davies, but I think most other sources don't have a whole lot of separation between those three.

Davies did not pitch AAA until 2015, whereas Wright had spent all of 2014 in AAA and Wilson had spent half of 2014 there. I think that's the main reason they got the call before Davies. That said, you may be right that even if they had Davies they would have wanted to acquire a solid, established starter.

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No. If the Orioles sign Gallardo and lose their 14th pick the reason would most assuredly be injuries to Bundy and Harvey. If not for those injuries one of those two would likely be the 5th starter.

I think Bundy was penciled in as a potential starter for 2016, but I thought Harvey was a season behind him, and possible pen duty at the end of this season, and then 2017 see what he could do.

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No. The O's obviously did not regard Davies higher than Wilson, Wright, etc. He would probably now be behind Worley and Despaigne as well. He would have been a depth option, nothing more. I was not in favor of the trade, but his resume suggests a cheap controlled #4 or #5, while Gallardo would probably be our #1 or #2.

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No. If the Orioles sign Gallardo and lose their 14th pick the reason would most assuredly be injuries to Bundy and Harvey. If not for those injuries one of those two would likely be the 5th starter.

I think we are reaching for an answer that is both too complicated and too simple. There is no one reason why the Orioles feel the need to punt their draft pick for Yovani Gallardo. It is a combination of many. Injuries to Bundy and Harvey are a part of the answer, along with the hiring of Syd Thrift, the dereliction of the developmental program starting about 1980, and the very existence of the franchise due to the geographic imbalance of Major League Baseball with regards to population circa 1950.

If you must have a simple answer it's that the Orioles ended up in a place with too few reliable pitchers.

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I think we are reaching for an answer that is both too complicated and too simple. There is no one reason why the Orioles feel the need to punt their draft pick for Yovani Gallardo. It is a combination of many. Injuries to Bundy and Harvey are a part of the answer, along with the hiring of Syd Thrift, the dereliction of the developmental program starting about 1980, and the very existence of the franchise due to the geographic imbalance of Major League Baseball with regards to population circa 1950.

If you must have a simple answer it's that the Orioles ended up in a place with too few reliable pitchers.

I think you can reliably point to the delay of two first round pitchers due to injury as a primary reason for too few reliable pitching options. Though I agree there are a variety of factors.

Haha Sid Thryft. I heard he is the reason for the 1919 Black Sox scandal.

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I think you can reliably point to the delay of two first round pitchers due to injury as a primary reason for too few reliable pitching options. Though I agree there are a variety of factors.

Haha Sid Thryft. I heard he is the reason for the 1919 Black Sox scandal.

One reason. Along with the implosion of Norris, the various failures that led to Arrieta's trade, the seemingly minor injuries that derailed various options like Britton, Matusz, others, the Hobgood pick, the apparent organizational aversion to long/large free agent deals for pitchers. Any of these things could have provided solutions but didn't.

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Last year both Wilson and Wright were called up in May, while Davies was left in Norfolk. It seems unlikely, at least to me, that Davies would have prevented the Orioles from acquiring another starter when Wilson/Wright didn't. I know Tony really likes Davies, but I think most other sources don't have a whole lot of separation between those three.

This is a true statement. I've said all along I'm much more bullish on Davies than most. Time will tell whether I am right or not. Personally, I'd be happy with Davies as the 5th starter, and keeping the 14th overall pick while saving some money. I can understand if others would have a different opinion though.

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