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Both guys have proven to be able to handle first base adeptly, so whichever one of the two is the better defensive RF should be playing out there for us this year.

Davis' 161 million dollar contract should not figure in to this decision. He's played right field in the past and should be more than happy to step in there again if it is what is best for the team. Especially considering it is likely only for one year.

The metrics for Trumbo in the OF are pretty bad and you don't see the term athletic thrown out there very much. Chris Davis has proven to be adequate out there in the past and I think has the ability to improve due to his athleticism if he is out there everyday. With that said, let's see how both guys do in Spring Training and put the best guy out there.

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Both guys have proven to be able to handle first base adeptly, so whichever one of the two is the better defensive RF should be playing out there for us this year.

Davis' 161 million dollar contract should not figure in to this decision. He's played right field in the past and should be more than happy to step in there again if it is what is best for the team. Especially considering it is likely only for one year.

The metrics for Trumbo in the OF are pretty bad and you don't see the term athletic thrown out there very much. Chris Davis has proven to be adequate out there in the past and I think has the ability to improve due to his athleticism if he is out there everyday. With that said, let's see how both guys do in Spring Training and put the best guy out there.

Davis is not playing right field. And the contract does matter. Chris is not going to play there this spring.

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Davis is not playing right field. And the contract does matter. Chris is not going to play there this spring.

Why pigeon hole yourself like that? I don't get it.

I don't understand why the contract should impact our ability to fully utilize a player. If anything, it should facilitate it. Makes no sense to me. Wasn't Boras shopping Davis' positional flexibility this offseason when the interest was drying up?

How about we try to win and do what's best for the team...

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Why pigeon hole yourself like that? I don't get it.

I don't understand why the contract should impact our ability to fully utilize a player. If anything, it should facilitate it. Makes no sense to me. Wasn't Boras shopping Davis' positional flexibility this offseason when the interest was drying up?

How about we try to win and do what's best for the team...

Don't shoot me. I'm just stating the facts. Davis is not playing outfield unless injury requires it. It's not my decision ;)

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Don't shoot me. I'm just stating the facts. Davis is not playing outfield unless injury requires it.

I'm speaking about the team. I just don't see the justification. I also don't believe everything that comes out of Buck and Dan's mouth. The signing of Alvarez today could change things, especially if Kim and Trumbo continue to look shaky in the outfield.

You said that the contract impacts Chris' position flexibility, so I'm wondering why that is? We are paying him to be a baseball player and he hasn't had a problem moving around in the past between first, third, and the OF.

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He probably has an understanding as part of his contractual agreement that he plays 1B mostly. Also the more he is in the OF the more he is susceptible to injury. Same for Trumbo.

That's very speculative and sounds ridiculous quite honestly. He may be more susceptible to injury in the OF, but isn't everyone? I don't think that is a statistically significant thing. Guys aren't kept out of the OF because of fear of injury unless they are already hurt. That's never been a thing.

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He probably has an understanding as part of his contractual agreement that he plays 1B mostly. Also the more he is in the OF the more he is susceptible to injury. Same for Trumbo.

That would be incredibly hypocritical if he did, since at one point during his free agency his agent actually tried to sell him as a potential outfielder.

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The contract matters. We have made a long term commitment to Davis. We don't want to mess with him, especially when the difference between him and Trumbo defensively is negligible. Any marginal advantage we would get this year just isn't worth disrupting the massive investment we have made in Davis through 2022.

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I never really understood the idea that outfielders are more susceptible to injury. Has there ever been any actual evidence to support this? IIRC Lance Berkman coming back from injury with the Astros said straight out that he thought playing first base actually was more likely to cause injury.

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The contract matters. We have made a long term commitment to Davis. We don't want to mess with him, especially when the difference between him and Trumbo defensively is negligible. Any marginal advantage we would get this year just isn't worth disrupting the massive investment we have made in Davis through 2022.

It may be more than marginal. Even it's the difference of a win or two it would be worth it. I just don't get the disrupting the investment/injury argument. Chris' positional flexibility is an asset (as Boras tried to sell) so it makes little sense to pay the guy 161 million and remove that asset.

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My view is Buck will give Trumbo every opportunity to hold down the job in Right. That is clearly the #1 option. However, if 6 weeks into the season, he is clearly hurting the team in the OF, buck will sit down with Davis and get him to buy in to playing the OF. That's one thing that makes Buck such a good manager is his ability to communicate with the team.

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It may be more than marginal. Even it's the difference of a win or two it would be worth it. I just don't get the disrupting the investment/injury argument. Chris' positional flexibility is an asset (as Boras tried to sell) so it makes little sense to pay the guy 161 million and remove that asset.

I doubt that it's anything close to a win or two over the course of a season.

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