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92.7 in Prince Frederick is apparently a 24/7/365 Skins station. It's bizarre and annoying to be stuck in a car without satellite or a way to hook up the phone and stumble upon talk of the Skins defensive line on May 17th.

Yes, that is the Snyder-owned station in Prince Frederick. Same content as ESPN 980 in DC, I think.

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So Ravens are not real?

It oozes irony. I treat the Nats and the Ravens the same. I want the Orioles to win vs the Nats every damn time and don't give a crap where they end up, they should be back in Montreal. Don't care about the Ravens and I celebrate whenever the Redskins beat them. Ravens shouldn't have existed until 1999 and it should have been a flat out expansion team instead of the "Browns". Btw, I view the Browns as Browns 2.0 in horribleness.

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What does bandwagon mean to you?

I think a lot of people in DC, who were vaguely baseball fans but not keeping up regularly with the Orioles, casually latched on to the Nationals as their true home team and have been drawn in more and more as the team has become successful. I guess that's bandwagon in a certain sense, but I can't really criticize that because that happens in literally every city. That's just the way sport fandoms work.

For me, I'm from the DC area. I'm 24 now, and the Nats moved in when I was 13. I've always stayed a die-hard Orioles fan first, but I liked having another home team in the NL and I've always rooted for the Nats to succeed even though I don't follow them as much. I don't really get the Nats hate among many Orioles fans. I don't see any reason not to have a team in DC and I haven't seen anything on the field between the teams that would lead to hate. Maybe it's just a fun geographic rivalry that's less visible to me because I'm from DC in the first place.

Bandwagon fans are DC baseball fans in a nutshell. They didn't latch on to the club until success and abandoned the Orioles when they were unsucessful. If Nats didn't make the playoffs in 2012.. Nats fan base would look a lot different today.

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Bandwagon fans are DC baseball fans in a nutshell. They didn't latch on to the club until success and abandoned the Orioles when they were unsucessful. If Nats didn't make the playoffs in 2012.. Nats fan base would look a lot different today.

First, every team gets more fans when they are successful. Literally every team in every sport, there are more people paying attention when the team is better. And what's really wrong with that?

Also, I think it's a misconception that the majority of Nats fans were previously big Orioles fans and then totally jumped ship. I'm sure there are some out there, but I know a lot of Nats fans and not a single one of them was a die-hard Orioles fan and then switched to be a die-hard Nats fan. I think most Nationals fans either a) Came to the DC area more recently than 2005 and just accepted the Nats as their home team, b) Didn't care about baseball that much before because they didn't feel like they had a home team, or most commonly c) Loosely rooted for the Orioles as their home team, then switched to mainly focus on the Nats once they had an ACTUAL home team, but still root for the Orioles as their AL team.

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92.7 in Prince Frederick is apparently a 24/7/365 Skins station. It's bizarre and annoying to be stuck in a car without satellite or a way to hook up the phone and stumble upon talk of the Skins defensive line on May 17th.

No...what is annoying is when the do have Nationals stuff, and you have to listen to Brian Mitchell and Chris Cooley give their expert option on the prior days Nationals game.

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The issue I have with the Nationals fans is they were so quick to turn on the Orioles. Soon as the nats come to town it's like the O's are dead to them. It is frustrating because they are they are the same people who helped sell out Camden Yards for the first 7-8 years it was open. They had their Ripken Jerseys and watched HTS every night. I don't get why you can't like both teams? They play 4 games a year?

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Considering that the Nationals were just eliminated from the post-season only 2 days ago, they should probably yank the Bryce Harper "What if I just hit a walk-off bomb?" commercial until at least next Spring.

They played it tonight in the 7th inning of Game One of the Dodgers-Cubs NLCS, and it was ........ strange.

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The issue I have with the Nationals fans is they were so quick to turn on the Orioles. Soon as the nats come to town it's like the O's are dead to them. It is frustrating because they are they are the same people who helped sell out Camden Yards for the first 7-8 years it was open. They had their Ripken Jerseys and watched HTS every night. I don't get why you can't like both teams? They play 4 games a year?

Most people do. The ones that aren't are disgruntled Angelos haters like Nestor Aparicio

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I mean, I realize that it was great for the Orioles to have a market all the way down to Atlanta, but let's get real, how long was that going to last? The DC market is one of the biggest in the country, and yes, it stretches down to Atlanta. It was inevitable that somebody would jump in. And there may be some fiercely loyal Orioles fans, but let's be real, if there's a team right next to where you live, or in between where you live and the former team, you'll probably pick the team in your market. I just don't see many people in Richmond, VA still going for the Orioles.

Yes, if the Orioles had put together a dynasty and the Nationals stayed as cellar dwellers, the Orioles could have kept that market, but we all know that probably wasn't happening. The NL East is pretty weak right now, so I don't see the Nationals keeping their dominance forever, but they'll always be a much bigger market than Baltimore.

If anything, I could see an expansion team in Charlotte, or Northern Virginia at some point if the league expands.

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