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5 minutes ago, mdbdotcom said:

If they think Tavarez isn't a player, they'll do it, just as the previous Red Sox regime traded Almanzar to us.

Right, If the Red Sox don't think he is players. 

 But Tavarez hit 335/374/506/886  at  AA last year. The Red Sox have scouts.   They just watched him put up a 382 OBP while  stealing 8 of 9 in ST.   Why would they not want that as  AAA depth?   Why would they want to trade that to the Orioles for anything  less  than a premium.   I would think that what the Red Sox would ask for in return from a division rival would be more than the O's would want to give.  

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2 minutes ago, RZNJ said:

Yeah.   It only makes sense if they get a deal that makes sense to them.   For instance, they may think that Tavarez's future with them as a 4th outfielder is not worth as much as Tanner Scott's upside as a setup man or closer.     Now, you can argue you don't want to give up Tanner Scott but that's a fair trade for both teams.    Tavarez was ranked as our #17 prospect.   Scott was rated at #11.      Other guys I mentioned were in the same range.     

Gassaway made sense from a value standpoint.    You have to put yourself in the other team's cleats.

Do you think the O's want Tavarez enough to trade Scott or Gassaway for him?  I  don't.

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3 minutes ago, RZNJ said:

 

They might.   Gassaway has offensive upside but another guy without a position.    Scott has upside but he's a one pitch pitcher who can't throw strikes consistently.      Both have upside but it's quite possible that neither becomes what Tavarez already is, which is very close to being a ML contributor.    Tavarez averaged about a 1.000 OPS and .380 average over his last 3 months of AAA.   He has upside of his own.    I would have to think long and hard before I dealt either one but that's what makes a sensible deal.   The ones that are easy to do are the ones where the other team wouldn't do it.

It appears to me that the O's have picked Mancini over Tavarez.   And they want to turn Mancini into an outfielder.   If that is true it lessen what value they find in Tavarez.  And what they would trade to get him back.

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Just now, RZNJ said:

There is a lot we don't know.   I do know that Kim and Smith are both FA's next year.   It would be nice to have someone like Tavarez in the system moreso for next year than this year.   He was never a good fit on this year's team.

I agree. I think that's why we're trying to make Mancini work as a RFer. I think LF is something solved by resigning Kim on the cheap, which I think they do. 

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19 minutes ago, wildcard said:

Do you think the O's want Tavarez enough to trade Scott or Gassaway for him?  I  don't.

I'm not that high on either of them, but I know a lot of velocity-lovers would rather lick the toilets in Grand Central Station than give up a guy who can throw 100 mph.  

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1 minute ago, Frobby said:

I'm not that high on either of them, but I know a lot of velocity-lovers would rather lick the toilets in Grand Central Station than give up a guy who can throw 100 mph.  

Lmao that's a great comparison. I'd keep Scott because he'll hopefully learn control, and if he does it will be glorious, but I think Drake could do well for the Sawx due to their bullpen being awful

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1 hour ago, Keygans said:

I was pushing for keeping Tavarez over Gentry just because of the fact that all teams passed on Gentry and he signed a minor league deal.   The fact that Tavarez has the potential to have at least Gentry's upside at a much younger age, cheaper price and the ability to hit better.    Let's see what happens. 

Sometimes in baseball (and life for that matter) we got bogged down in the small things and don't see the big picture.

What is the ceiling of Tavarez? What is the ceiling of Santander?

Tavarez has plus speed, NOT plus defense, NOT plus power. He is a 4th OFer at best. That is his ceiling. There are lots of Tavarez's out there.

Sander does not have plus defense (based on scouting reports) but has PLUS power (high ceiling), so if he can improve his defensive skills (again, based on scouting since we haven't seen him), he has a much higher ceiling.

Big picture.

Just my two cents.

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10 minutes ago, Frobby said:

I'm not that high on either of them, but I know a lot of velocity-lovers would rather lick the toilets in Grand Central Station than give up a guy who can throw 100 mph.  

Gross,  I could have done without that image.

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10 minutes ago, MDtransplant757 said:

Lmao that's a great comparison. I'd keep Scott because he'll hopefully learn control, and if he does it will be glorious, but I think Drake could do well for the Sawx due to their bullpen being awful

I doubt the Red Sox have any interest in a AAAA guy like Drake.

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