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I have posted on this subject a few times. I think it is a poor idea to move Manny to SS, he is such a better 3B than a SS.

Manny is a good SS - not great - who plays too deep in hole, if you ask me. That said, Machado is the best 3B I have ever seen.

How many doubles does Machado prevent at SS? How many doubles does Manny prevent at 3B?

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6 minutes ago, Es4M11 said:

I have posted on this subject a few times. I think it is a poor idea to move Manny to SS, he is such a better 3B than a SS.

Manny is a good SS - not great - who plays too deep in hole, if you ask me. That said, Machado is the best 3B I have ever seen.

How many doubles does Machado prevent at SS? How many doubles does Manny prevent at 3B?

We've seen Manny play 52 games at shortstop, so it's really hard to judge how he'd be if he played it full time for a year.    The defensive metrics are mixed on his performance, with Rtot showing him a bit below average, Rdrs and UZR showing him a little above average.     I personally believe he'd be above average if he had regular reps at SS, but he wouldn't be elite, which he obviously is at 3B.    Where I'd play him would depend on my other options at the two positions.  

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Just now, Frobby said:

We've seen Manny play 52 games at shortstop, so it's really hard to judge how he'd be if he played it full time for a year.    The defensive metrics are mixed on his performance, with Rtot showing him a bit below average, Rdrs and UZR showing him a little above average.     I personally believe he'd be above average if he had regular reps at SS, but he wouldn't be elite, which he obviously is at 3B.    Where I'd play him would depend on my other options at the two positions.  

Extend Manny, play him at SS, and sign Aranado to play 3B in 2019.:disco:

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50 minutes ago, Frobby said:

We've seen Manny play 52 games at shortstop, so it's really hard to judge how he'd be if he played it full time for a year.    The defensive metrics are mixed on his performance, with Rtot showing him a bit below average, Rdrs and UZR showing him a little above average.     I personally believe he'd be above average if he had regular reps at SS, but he wouldn't be elite, which he obviously is at 3B.    Where I'd play him would depend on my other options at the two positions.  

Of course Manny's sample size at SS is pretty small, so I may be putting the cart before the horse, just a little - but from what I have seen so far, I'll stand by my opinion.

To your point about where Manny would play would depend on other options for those positions, I sort of disagree here, unless you're talking about ponying up the dough for another elite 3B (or if we are lucky enough to develop one). I think you stick Manny at 3B and figure it out at SS. Manny might literally be the best defensive 3B ever - don't fix what ain't broke! I can live with an all glove, no bat SS, and those guys are seemingly more commonly available.

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In the meantime, it'd be nice if the O's had a SS or 3Bman developing to be ready in 2019, but that's looking very doubtful - unless they are able to trade for a prospect.  

Or just use Mancini at 3B!  j/k... right?

 

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1 hour ago, Es4M11 said:

Of course Manny's sample size at SS is pretty small, so I may be putting the cart before the horse, just a little - but from what I have seen so far, I'll stand by my opinion.

To your point about where Manny would play would depend on other options for those positions, I sort of disagree here, unless you're talking about ponying up the dough for another elite 3B (or if we are lucky enough to develop one). I think you stick Manny at 3B and figure it out at SS. Manny might literally be the best defensive 3B ever - don't fix what ain't broke! I can live with an all glove, no bat SS, and those guys are seemingly more commonly available.

I think Manny in 2013 was at Brooks Robinson's level.    He's still great, but in my opinion doesn't have quite the range he did when he was 25 pounds lighter.    For consistent greatness, give me Brooks.   

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5 minutes ago, Frobby said:

I think Manny in 2013 was at Brooks Robinson's level.    He's still great, but in my opinion doesn't have quite the range he did when he was 25 pounds lighter.    For consistent greatness, give me Brooks.   

No one can argue with Brookie's consistency or Manny arm.

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39 minutes ago, Frobby said:

I think Manny in 2013 was at Brooks Robinson's level.    He's still great, but in my opinion doesn't have quite the range he did when he was 25 pounds lighter.    For consistent greatness, give me Brooks.   

I can't speak to Brook's level of play on a game to game basis. Never got to see it myself - I'm 32. I'll take your word for it on Brooks. Would you say Manny is the best 3B in the last 25 years?

Manny is the best 3B I have had the privilege to watch. In my lifetime, I can't think of anyone who is as good. Manny just makes so many "wow" plays look routine, I almost think he doesn't get enough credit because he makes it look so easy all the time.

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