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2 minutes ago, weams said:

He would not be number three.

Jesus, enough with the semantics. You're borderline trolling me. You know what I mean. He would be our third best starter:

1. Bundy

2. Gausman

3. Gonzo

4. Miley

5. Ubaldo/Tillman

How is this even at all debatable? 

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1 minute ago, interloper said:

Jesus, enough with the semantics. You're borderline trolling me. You know what I mean. He would be our third best starter:

1. Bundy

2. Gausman

3. Gonzo

4. Miley

5. Ubaldo/Tillman

And this is still not a rotation that gets you into the playoffs, I'm afraid.  Hence, standing pat.

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2 minutes ago, interloper said:

Jesus, enough with the semantics. You're borderline trolling me. You know what I mean. He would be our third best starter:

1. Bundy

2. Gausman

3. Gonzo

4. Miley

5. Ubaldo/Tillman

How is this even at all debatable? 

Not meaning to troll of course. I think Miley is better.  

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6 minutes ago, weams said:

Not meaning to troll of course. I think Miley is better.  

That's a hot take of an opinion if I ever saw one, then. He leads the league in walks and has a 5.00 ERA. He's lucky to have that 5 ERA. There's no statistical or empirical reason to believe that Wade Miley is a better pitcher this year than Miguel Gonzalez. Which explains our impasse here, for sure. 

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9 minutes ago, interloper said:

How is a 4.30 ERA not a #3 on this team? That's a better ERA than any other starter on our roster, weams. 

People were citing Hellickson's ERA when we got him, and acting like he was an improvement.  That's worked out well!  ERA is basically useless.  Gonzo is no better than Hellickson. 

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6 minutes ago, joelala said:

And this is still not a rotation that gets you into the playoffs, I'm afraid.  Hence, standing pat.

Just realized I forgot Hellickson in there. Which doesn't move the needle any more anyway, which is why we should have never traded for Hellickson in the first place. But while we're here and this close, my opinion is that we should go for it.

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Just now, ArtVanDelay said:

People were citing Hellickson's ERA when we got him, and acting like he was an improvement.  That's worked out well!  ERA is basically useless.  Gonzo is no better than Hellickson. 

He was also pitching in the NL and had a much higher FIP than Gonzo. He was never going to translate well over here. I think Gonzo is a much better fit - obviously he's had success in the AL East and he's pitching very much in line with his peripherals this season. 

The Hellickson trade was dumb, for sure.

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1 minute ago, interloper said:

Just realized I forgot Hellickson in there. Which doesn't move the needle any more anyway, which is why we should have never traded for Hellickson in the first place. But while we're here and this close, my opinion is that we should go for it.

Oh hahaha I didn't even realize you forgot Hellickson either.  Shows how important that acquisition was :bangwall:

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The larger point I'm trying to make with this thread is that the Orioles have lacked a plan all season. 

1. They didn't sell when it was clear they should.

2. When they bought, they bought another bad starting pitcher that didn't move the needle at all.

3. Now that they've gotten lucky with Beckham and gone on a run, they failed to improve the pitching staff to help get them over the hump, instead just hoping for the best.

I get believing in your team. But at some point, you have to not be ok with the pitching staff. And if they just miss the playoffs, they'll have done so without improving the team when they could have.

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4 minutes ago, interloper said:

The larger point I'm trying to make with this thread is that the Orioles have lacked a plan all season. 

1. They didn't sell when it was clear they should.

2. When they bought, they bought another bad starting pitcher that didn't move the needle at all.

3. Now that they've gotten lucky with Beckham and gone on a run, they failed to improve the pitching staff to help get them over the hump, instead just hoping for the best.

I get believing in your team. But at some point, you have to not be ok with the pitching staff. And if they just miss the playoffs, they'll have done so without improving the team when they could have.

Looks like the larger point is that the O's didn't have a plan that you agreed with.

What was there plan? I don't know. You don't either. 

The end.

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5 minutes ago, mdbdotcom said:

Looks like the larger point is that the O's didn't have a plan that you agreed with.

What was there plan? I don't know. You don't either. 

The end.

Hey, fair enough. I know we aren't privy to the inner workings at the Warehouse. As fans, we'll never know the details of what's going on. I'm just here on a message board writing some stuff. 

As a fan, I think there was a chance to move more decisively in one direction or the other. As usual, they decided to ride the fence. From my perspective, that rarely works, and hasn't worked the last few years. But I know it's not that simple and things are more complex than they seem. 

But also, if we're not going to share opinions here, we might as well agree to close the website, right? 

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