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As random as we say the postseason may be, there was nothing random about that Gardner at-bat in the 9th.  That was a classic and something that no current Oriole could ever accomplish in the playoffs.  The Yankee approach to hitting really helped them in that series.  That, along with playing with house money versus Cleveland which must have felt all kinds of pressure trying to get back to the Series and finally win it for their long suffering fan base.  69 years without a championship is a massive gorilla on your back. 

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On 10/14/2017 at 9:19 AM, Reboulet'sStache said:

The Yankees did everything correctly.  They behaved like a small to mid market team over the last few years.  Drafting well.  Selling high on guys to acquire prospects.  Holding off on making dumb signings.  Basically, they've run their team exactly how we should have been running ours.

Being players in the International market.

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On 10/14/2017 at 9:19 AM, Reboulet'sStache said:

The Yankees did everything correctly.  They behaved like a small to mid market team over the last few years.  Drafting well.  Selling high on guys to acquire prospects.  Holding off on making dumb signings.  Basically, they've run their team exactly how we should have been running ours.

Ellsbury a good signing? Ate money on McCann's deal. Many of the trades they made were of FA's they signed to big deals. Got Chapman cheap in a deal because of a DV issue. 

Cashman basically went 20 years with a bad farm system. To his credit recently he has made some very strong trades. That said the players he dealt came off of FA signings.   

Signing Beltran, McCann, Ellsbury, Kuroda, Tanaka, Headley, Miller and Chapman is not how small or middle market teams operate. 

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5 hours ago, eddie83 said:

Ellsbury a good signing? Ate money on McCann's deal. Many of the trades they made were of FA's they signed to big deals. Got Chapman cheap in a deal because of a DV issue. 

Cashman basically went 20 years with a bad farm system. To his credit recently he has made some very strong trades. That said the players he dealt came off of FA signings.   

Signing Beltran, McCann, Ellsbury, Kuroda, Tanaka, Headley, Miller and Chapman is not how small or middle market teams operate. 

Yes, it's been fairly recently that the Yankees have gotten their act together.  But the reason why they went "20 years with a bad farm system" and turned it into an elite farm system so quickly, and the reason why they went from an old team with horrible contracts to a young team with a ton of money coming off the books soon, is because they did everything right in a short amount of years.  That's all baseball takes.  Selling high over a span of just a few years, and drafting well over those few years.  Avoid dumb contracts.  And welcome to the world of contenders.  Most teams just aren't well run.

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12 hours ago, eddie83 said:

 

Ellsbury a good signing? Ate money on McCann's deal. Many of the trades they made were of FA's they signed to big deals. Got Chapman cheap in a deal because of a DV issue. 

Cashman basically went 20 years with a bad farm system. To his credit recently he has made some very strong trades. That said the players he dealt came off of FA signings.   

Signing Beltran, McCann, Ellsbury, Kuroda, Tanaka, Headley, Miller and Chapman is not how small or middle market teams operate. 

 

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For myself, the biggest nuance that I believe needs to be taken into consideration in regard to Brian Cashman's success of putting winning/competitive teams on the field year in and year out for the Yankees is the following ........

 

You may not be able to outright buy championships ........ you may not even be able to outright buy pennants ........ but you sure as hell can buy yourself into being a perennial contender with a very small chance of fielding teams that have losing records.

The Yankees have had a payroll in excess of $200 Million since 2005. Their payroll has dropped some over the last 2 seasons, but that has been due largely to big contracts coming off the the books, not necessarily a conscious effort by the Yankees to considerably tighten their pocket strings.

There is/has been no "risk/reward" factor for the Yankees in terms of paying their players to stay and/or acquiring new and expensive free agents. For mid-market and small-market teams, if they splurge on a couple of highly expensive free agents that don't work out, those teams will likely be moderately to severely hamstrung financially as a result of those signings for several years. The Orioles, in light of Chris Davis' most recent contract extension and the unresolved situation with Manny Machado (and now Jonathan Schoop, also) and his/their potential mega-contract(s), could be starting down the barrel of that type of situation over the next few years. For the Yankees, it doesn't matter if they spend a lot of money on free agents that either bust and/or don't live up to the expectations that they had of them when they gave them all of that money (Carl Pavano, A. J. Burnett, Randy Johnson, Alex Rodriguez, Mark Teixeira, etc.) Or for that matter, Derek Jeter in the last few years of his career. Jeter wasn't a free agent signing, but as I stated earlier, he was a player that was making boatloads of money at that time ($16 Million a year over the final 5 years of his career between 2010 and 2014), and he was nowhere near that type of money player in his last 2 years with the team. But for the Yankees and their short-term and long-term budgets, no matter ....... they can keep spending, with little or no repercussions. There is the luxury tax situation for teams that spend excessively, but I'm talking about repercussions that seriously/adversely affect their thinking and their general financial situation in any meaningful way. Sure, the Yankees would like to avoid the luxury tax when they can, but if they don't, it's not like it then will significantly change their overall situation at-large.

 

As somebody once said about 8 or 9 years ago prior to Dan Duquette coming on board ........ if you give me $200 Million (or more) per year, every year for 8, 9, 10 years running, then I'll find a way to put winning/competitive teams on the field year in and year out. If you give me the financial restrictions that Andy MacPhail has/had on him, then they'll hang me outside of OPACY.

 

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