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2 minutes ago, Aglets said:

Sure, I get that belief.  I just prefer to have more evidence to go along with my own.

Like, are you putting more blame on someone who "may have lobbied" for a certain contract to be signed than on the person who actually pulled the trigger and made that decision?   I don't get that.

If you're looking at who to blame for sacrificing draft picks to overpay for pending free agents (absolutely fair for Trumbo and Davis at least) then I'm not sure why this is on a Buck thread.
 

Buck always talks up his own guys in public to no end, and that's part of the reason why his players love him so much I'm sure.  I bet when he's having private discussions with ownership and Dan he is a little more willing to admit that these guys come with flaws.

I have no actual proof as I am sure you are aware.

I stand by my belief that Buck has influence in shaping his roster and has used that influence to retain certain players that didn't perform well last season.

I think it is fair to point out that Buck probably shares at least partial responsibility for the lack of talent on last year's team.

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40 minutes ago, birdwatcher55 said:

Unless JA is just a figurehead, I have to figure he is making decisions. If he wants to clean house, I'm guessing he would have his father's ear before Buck and /or Dan.

It's pretty clear that Brady has access to the owner and provides his opinions, though I can only guess that the owner pays any attention to Brady.

The same may be true of John and his father, but you seem to be just assuming that's the case. I have never seen anything to suggest that''s true of John. Brady is a "baseball guy," whereas John is not. John does hold a high position in the front office, but so far as I know his role is limited to keeping an eye on things for his father and making an occasional public statement. He may do more than that, but I've not seen it so far as I can recall. So yeah, I guess I'd say that as far as I know he's a figurehead with regard to the Orioles baseball operations.

I believe Peter Angelos has been and is still making the major calls  about the direction of the team, including offering long-term contracts  and extensions and making major trades,, because (a) he always has, done those things, and I've seen nothing that says or suggests there's been a change, (b) delegation to anyone, including his sons, is not his style, (c) the Orioles' recent decisions make sense, if at all, as calls made by someone with a very limited time horizon, and (d) some of what's happened recently seems to bear PA's fingerprints, such as deferring any action on Machado and Schoop and going into hiding right before the trading deadline. Finally, the cowardice of whoever is making these decisions while refusing to acknowledge responsibility for them fits with Peter Angelos' record and style, and I'm not sure they reflect John's m.o. 

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2 hours ago, Uli2001 said:

And so the mediocrity is likely to continue.

That is exactly right. For the Orioles winning the world series amounts to things like keeping Buck around (simply bc Peter trusts him) and resigning Adam Jones. Actually doing what it takes to win in real life is not what the Orioles do. 

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1 hour ago, Can_of_corn said:

I have no actual proof as I am sure you are aware.

I stand by my belief that Buck has influence in shaping his roster and has used that influence to retain certain players that didn't perform well last season.

I think it is fair to point out that Buck probably shares at least partial responsibility for the lack of talent on last year's team.

I too believe Buck shares some responsibility for CD and Trumbo being signed. 

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4 hours ago, Aglets said:

I was right.

Wins from 2012-2016

Orioles:  444

Yankees:  435

Blue Jays:  412

Red Sox:  408

Rays:  407

Which team seems the least mediocre to you?    Yea we had a pretty rough 2017....I will not dispute it.   I am utterly convinced though that without Buck at the helm we would've finished worse off.  Even with the worst starting rotation in MLB we ended up a 75 win team (still in playoff contention in early September!) and that is crazy to me.  Our Pythagorean record would suggest we were a 71 win team.   Buck consistently has been able to maximize the talent that he has under him.  The main issue with 2017 was lack of talent.

And the Yankees had the best record in baseball 2008-2017 under Girardi, were never below .500 at the end of any season, won a WS (!) and Girardi was still canned. You see, different expectations. That's where my Marvin Lewis comparison is apt. Fans were so desperate that somebody who turns a perennial loser into a mediocre playoff-marginal team (with the exception of 2014) is the second coming.

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Oops.  The umps blew NLDS game 5, and so did Dusty.  from ESPN - http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/21174468/joe-torre-confirms-wrong-call-made-passed-ball-nlds-game-5-cubs-nationals

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Upon further review, the men in blue blew it.
On Thursday, MLB's chief baseball officer Joe Torre confirmed that the umpiring crew made the wrong call on a crucial passed ball in Game 5 of the National League Division Series between the Chicago Cubs and Washington Nationals......According to Torre, Washington manager Dusty Baker had the power to have the play overturned in the moment.
"If you've got a question, a rule question -- not a judgment question but a rule question -- if you don't like what the umpire's telling you, ask him for a rules check. And they can do that. They can go to the replay center on the headset and check a rule."

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Roch has this to say, and it not once said anything about Buck asking to talk to other teams:

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He’ll be in there on opening day 2018. A last-place finish didn’t impact his status. He already met with owner Peter Angelos and was in the warehouse yesterday, and he’s preparing a trip to Arizona to check out prospects in the Fall League. But Showalter is in the final year of his contract and what comes next is a total mystery, wide open to speculation and rumor and blind guessing.

http://www.masnsports.com/school-of-roch/2017/10/showalter-moves-up-active-list-miller-moves-on-to-next-career.html

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