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How long before the O's convert Brad Brach to a starter?

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No offense Wildcard, but Brach neither has the delivery or the endurance to be a starter. He's a very good setup man and that's his role. Of the current options, Castro is the best option to be tried as a starter.

Bleier has had some success in the minors, but I don't think his stuff will play a 3rd time through an order. He's a sinker slider guy with a below average changeup. With command, for a few innings that can work, but I just couldn't see him as 6 or 7 inning pitcher. He's probably a 5.20 ERA guy as a starter which of course is better than what we got from the "Trio of Terrible" last year, but I think the Orioles would want a little more upside to their starting pitcher options.

If I'm the Orioles, I'm stretching Castro out, and I'm trying to get two starters this offseason. I think Tyler Chatwood is someone they should target if the years and money is right. Same thing with Cobb. I'd also be willing to give Tillman an incentive laden deal that would put the Orioles on the hook for much guaranteed money in case he really is done.

 

 

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3 minutes ago, jtschrei said:

I think the O's should look at their relievers as starters in Spring Training. It's fairly easy to convert a guy back to bullpen work. 

The question I have is do the relievers "know how to pitch" (copyright Jim Palmer). 

I think the real questions are "how much velocity will the reliever lose in longer outings?", "how much sharpness on their secondary pitches will the reliever lose in longer outings?",  "how much will the loss in velocity and sharpness of stuff affect the reliever's effectiveness?", "will the reliever's delivery hold up or will it lead to injury?", "considering all the answers to the previous questions, is converting a reliever a better option than free agent/waiver/minor league starting pitcher options?".

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1 minute ago, phillyOs119 said:

I think the real questions are "how much velocity will the reliever lose in longer outings?", "how much sharpness on their secondary pitches will the reliever lose in longer outings?",  "how much will the loss in velocity and sharpness of stuff affect the reliever's effectiveness?", "will the reliever's delivery hold up or will it lead to injury?", "considering all the answers to the previous questions, is converting a reliever a better option than free agent/waiver/minor league starting pitcher options?".

Most relievers are relieving, because they dont have the makeup to be a starter.

You need to be able to throw 4 pitches, 3 of these very well, to be an effective starter.

Most relievers get by with 2 effective pitches.

Its pretty easy to convert a starter to reliever, unless they take a long time to get loose and warmup, but not so much to convert a starter into a reliever.

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1 minute ago, Redskins Rick said:

Most relievers are relieving, because they dont have the makeup to be a starter.

You need to be able to throw 4 pitches, 3 of these very well, to be an effective starter.

Most relievers get by with 2 effective pitches.

Its pretty easy to convert a starter to reliever, unless they take a long time to get loose and warmup, but not so much to convert a starter into a reliever.

That's pretty much my point, also part of the point I'm making is just because a reliever has 3 or 4 pitches, it doesn't mean you can just pencil them in as a starter.  The delivery even more important than number of quality pitches.

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On 10/28/2017 at 5:42 PM, wildcard said:

Tillman may come back.  Other than that overpay, overpay, overpay.

Which  really has not been the Orioles way.

They’ve overpaid Davis, Trumbo, Hardy, Jimenez and a few others in the last few years.   

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1 minute ago, Frobby said:

They’ve overpaid Davis, Trumbo, Hardy, Jimenez and a few others in the last few years.   

You could argue Hardy and Jimenez were market rate that did not pan out. The other two absolutely and it's not debatable.

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Just now, Redskins Rick said:

I cant call Hardy an over pay. He was underpaid here for several seasons.

I was only talking about hindsight on his last contract.    I agree it was probably a market rate deal, or close, at the time.   I was in favor of it, but Hardy really only produced in one year out of three.

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