How long before the O's convert Brad Brach to a starter?

[Can_of_corn]

11 minutes ago, Redskins Rick said:

Was Roberts under paid, and a multiple all-star and one of the very best defense at his position, and a valuable core member of the team?

Very best defense?

[Frobby]

Middle infielders have tended not to age well, but it’s still case by case.   Look at Ian Kinsler.

[Redskins Rick]

5 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Very best defense?

So you dont consider one of the better defending SS in the AL during the 2012-214 seasons?

[Redskins Rick]

4 minutes ago, Frobby said:

Middle infielders have tended not to age well, but it’s still case by case.   Look at Ian Kinsler.

Cal Jr.

But, yeah, you are right.

[Can_of_corn]

12 minutes ago, Redskins Rick said:

So you dont consider one of the better defending SS in the AL during the 2012-214 seasons?

 

12 minutes ago, Redskins Rick said:

So you dont consider one of the better defending SS in the AL during the 2012-214 seasons?

The sentence structure led me to believe you were talking about Roberts.

[Redskins Rick]

1 minute ago, Can_of_corn said:

 

The sentence structure led me to believe you were talking about Roberts.

My apologies, I do not think you can compare the two, Hardy was at the top of the game when they resigned him, Roberts was not.

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1 hour ago, Tony-OH said:

No offense Wildcard, but Brach neither has the delivery or the endurance to be a starter. He's a very good setup man and that's his role. Of the current options, Castro is the best option to be tried as a starter.

Bleier has had some success in the minors, but I don't think his stuff will play a 3rd time through an order. He's a sinker slider guy with a below average changeup. With command, for a few innings that can work, but I just couldn't see him as 6 or 7 inning pitcher. He's probably a 5.20 ERA guy as a starter which of course is better than what we got from the "Trio of Terrible" last year, but I think the Orioles would want a little more upside to their starting pitcher options.

If I'm the Orioles, I'm stretching Castro out, and I'm trying to get two starters this offseason. I think Tyler Chatwood is someone they should target if the years and money is right. Same thing with Cobb. I'd also be willing to give Tillman an incentive laden deal that would put the Orioles on the hook for much guaranteed money in case he really is done.

 

 

Thanks. 

[wildcard]

On 10/31/2017 at 11:29 AM, Tony-OH said:

No offense Wildcard, but Brach neither has the delivery or the endurance to be a starter. He's a very good setup man and that's his role. Of the current options, Castro is the best option to be tried as a starter.

Bleier has had some success in the minors, but I don't think his stuff will play a 3rd time through an order. He's a sinker slider guy with a below average changeup. With command, for a few innings that can work, but I just couldn't see him as 6 or 7 inning pitcher. He's probably a 5.20 ERA guy as a starter which of course is better than what we got from the "Trio of Terrible" last year, but I think the Orioles would want a little more upside to their starting pitcher options.

If I'm the Orioles, I'm stretching Castro out, and I'm trying to get two starters this offseason. I think Tyler Chatwood is someone they should target if the years and money is right. Same thing with Cobb. I'd also be willing to give Tillman an incentive laden deal that would put the Orioles on the hook for much guaranteed money in case he really is done.

 

 

I expect Cobb to get a contract well above what the O's will pay.   The O's may be in on Chatwood but if the ompeting teams have more of a pitcher's park or are contenders then the O's probably lose out.

The thought on Brach is that the O's will loses out on FA starter after FA starter.  The O's may make a trade for a starter but the O's need to add at least 3, maybe 4 starters.   As ST rolls around Brach may be a more interesting reliever to convert to a starter in ST.   We will see.

I agree Castro gets a chance in to start in ST.  I don't think  Buck thinks Bleier has the stuff to be a successful starter in the majors.

[Redskins Rick]

28 minutes ago, wildcard said:

I expect Cobb to get a contract well above what the O's will pay.   The O's may be in on Chatwoos but if the ompeting teams have more of a pitcher's park or are contenders then the O's probably lose out.

The thought on Brach is that the O's will loses out on FA starter after FA starter.  The O's may make a trade for a starter but the O's need to add at least 3, maybe 4 starters.   As ST rolls around Brach may be a more interesting reliever to convert to a starter in ST.   We will see.

I agree Castro gets a chance in to start in ST.  I don't think  Buck thinks Bleier has the stuff to be a successful starter in the majors.

Bach has never started ever, even back in college? If my memory serves me right.

I have to agreed with Tony-OH on this one, Bach converting to a starter is a real long shot.

[wildcard]

7 minutes ago, Redskins Rick said:

Bach has never started ever, even back in college? If my memory serves me right.

I have to agreed with Tony-OH on this one, Bach converting to a starter is a real long shot.

Come ST the O's may be looking for long shots.

[wildcard]

16 minutes ago, Redskins Rick said:

Bach has never started ever, even back in college? If my memory serves me right.

I have to agreed with Tony-OH on this one, Bach converting to a starter is a real long shot.

Brach started in college:

Quickly: New Jersey Pitcher of the Year in 2006... Second-team all-conference as a sophomore... Set single-season strikeout record with 82 last season... Control-oriented pitcher... Led the team in wins two straight seasons... Coastal Plains League All-Star this summer with the Petersburg Generals... New Jersey All-Rookie Team in 2005.

2006: Set Monmouth single-season record with 82 strikeouts in 84.2 innings... Made 13 starts... Led the conference with 2.44 ERA, which ranks fifth in MU history... Team-leader in wins with six... Tossed six complete games... Surrendered 10 walks... Opened season with four-strikeout performance at Houston (2/26)... Earned MU's first-ever win over UCF (3/4), working 7.2 innings of scoreless ball, scattering threee hits, while striking out six batters... Struck out seven in 8.0 innings versus St. Bonaventure... Struck out eight batters in 8.0 innings at Navy (3/18)... Earned a complete game victory over St. Francis (3/25), while allowing three hits and striking out five hitters... Posted complete game win with eight Ks at Long Island (4/1)... Struck out nine in complete game shutout of Mount St. Mary's (4/14)... Posted complete game win over FDU (4/23) with six punchouts... Earned complete game shutout, scattering three hits, at Sacred Heart (4/29), while striking out eight... Notched a career-best 11 strikeouts in 9.2 innings of work versus Quinnipiac (5/6).

2005: Team-leader in wins with six... Posted a 6-4 record... Ranked fifth on the squad with 4.37 ERA... Ranked 11th in the conference in ERA... Ranked third on the team with 41 strikeouts... Appeared in 13 games, making nine starts... Tied for the team-lead with two complete games... Worked 59.2 innings... Made collegiate debut and first career start at No. 26 UCF (2/26), working 5.0 innings, allowing two earned runs on three hits... Earned first career win with 6.0 inning effort versus Penn (3/6), striking out five batters... Credited with victory after tossing 2.2 innings against Maine (3/19)... Worked 6.0 innings while sitting down a career-high seven batters at Seton Hall (4/5)... Earned win at Lafayette (4/12)... Surrendered one earned run on five hits in 7.0 innings with six strikeouts at St. Francis [N.Y.] (4/17)... Collected fifth win by throwing 7.2 innings with three K's against Rider (4/26)... Fashioned a 9.0 inning, complete game, six-hit victory over Sacred Heart (5/22) in the NEC Tournament.

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55 minutes ago, wildcard said:

I expect Cobb to get a contract well above what the O's will pay.   The O's may be in on Chatwoos but if the ompeting teams have more of a pitcher's park or are contenders then the O's probably lose out.

The thought on Brach is that the O's will loses out on FA starter after FA starter.  The O's may make a trade for a starter but the O's need to add at least 3, maybe 4 starters.   As ST rolls around Brach may be a more interesting reliever to convert to a starter in ST.   We will see.

I agree Castro gets a chance in to start in ST.  I don't think  Buck thinks Bleier has the stuff to be a successful starter in the majors.

The only pitcher with less of a chance of being converted to a reliever is O'day. Brach will be a setup man next year unless he's trade this offseason.

[Tony-OH]

11 minutes ago, wildcard said:

Brach started in college:

Quickly: New Jersey Pitcher of the Year in 2006... Second-team all-conference as a sophomore... Set single-season strikeout record with 82 last season... Control-oriented pitcher... Led the team in wins two straight seasons... Coastal Plains League All-Star this summer with the Petersburg Generals... New Jersey All-Rookie Team in 2005.

2006: Set Monmouth single-season record with 82 strikeouts in 84.2 innings... Made 13 starts... Led the conference with 2.44 ERA, which ranks fifth in MU history... Team-leader in wins with six... Tossed six complete games... Surrendered 10 walks... Opened season with four-strikeout performance at Houston (2/26)... Earned MU's first-ever win over UCF (3/4), working 7.2 innings of scoreless ball, scattering threee hits, while striking out six batters... Struck out seven in 8.0 innings versus St. Bonaventure... Struck out eight batters in 8.0 innings at Navy (3/18)... Earned a complete game victory over St. Francis (3/25), while allowing three hits and striking out five hitters... Posted complete game win with eight Ks at Long Island (4/1)... Struck out nine in complete game shutout of Mount St. Mary's (4/14)... Posted complete game win over FDU (4/23) with six punchouts... Earned complete game shutout, scattering three hits, at Sacred Heart (4/29), while striking out eight... Notched a career-best 11 strikeouts in 9.2 innings of work versus Quinnipiac (5/6).

2005: Team-leader in wins with six... Posted a 6-4 record... Ranked fifth on the squad with 4.37 ERA... Ranked 11th in the conference in ERA... Ranked third on the team with 41 strikeouts... Appeared in 13 games, making nine starts... Tied for the team-lead with two complete games... Worked 59.2 innings... Made collegiate debut and first career start at No. 26 UCF (2/26), working 5.0 innings, allowing two earned runs on three hits... Earned first career win with 6.0 inning effort versus Penn (3/6), striking out five batters... Credited with victory after tossing 2.2 innings against Maine (3/19)... Worked 6.0 innings while sitting down a career-high seven batters at Seton Hall (4/5)... Earned win at Lafayette (4/12)... Surrendered one earned run on five hits in 7.0 innings with six strikeouts at St. Francis [N.Y.] (4/17)... Collected fifth win by throwing 7.2 innings with three K's against Rider (4/26)... Fashioned a 9.0 inning, complete game, six-hit victory over Sacred Heart (5/22) in the NEC Tournament.

You can't possibly think any of that is pertinent now can you? Brach has been a reliever his entire professional career. There's a very real reason for that which I've already explained. I betcha he was a hell of a high school starter though!

[Luke-OH]

57 minutes ago, wildcard said:

The O's may be in on Chatwoos but if the ompeting teams have more of a pitcher's park or are contenders then the O's probably lose out.

These are tired narratives.

Again, the biggest reason Brach isn't a starter is his delivery.  Also, I bet that 95-96mph fastball would be 91-92 as a starter.

[wildcard]

6 minutes ago, phillyOs119 said:

These are tired narratives.

Again, the biggest reason Brach isn't a starter is his delivery.  Also, I bet that 95-96mph fastball would be 91-92 as a starter.

Its a tired narrative that FA pitchers don't like to pitch in in pitchers parks and that FA pitchers do like to pitch for contenders?