Intervention by MLB

[Uli2001]

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10 minutes ago, Uli2001 said:

My point in the OP is that this is not simply losing. It is a situation where no one knows who is in charge, and nothing is being done to try to put a better product on the field. I don't but it's tanking. I think it's a rudderless ship.

It’s not rudderless if everybody is getting paid, if the team shows up, if the lights stay on and so forth. It’s just business being done in a way you don’t like. 

Cheating, corruption, impending bankruptcy, fraud... these are grounds for MLB stepping in. 

[hoosiers]

These losing years were coming down the road immediately after the winning as happens to most teams.  We are not the only team in history to stink up the joint.  I think the losing pace will drop off a bit.

If our FO makes some good moves and has some luck, this downtown could last toward the lower end of a three to five year re-build.  Hopefully, this will coincide with the end of the dominance of the BoSox-NYY-Houston run ahead.

If the upcoming MM trade nets us two pieces on our next winning team, I will be pleased. 

[Uli2001]

12 minutes ago, hoosiers said:

These losing years were coming down the road immediately after the winning as happens to most teams.  We are not the only team in history to stink up the joint.  I think the losing pace will drop off a bit.

If our FO makes some good moves and has some luck, this downtown could last toward the lower end of a three to five year re-build.  Hopefully, this will coincide with the end of the dominance of the BoSox-NYY-Houston run ahead.

If the upcoming MM trade nets us two pieces on our next winning team, I will be pleased. 

This is extreme optimism. I have no faith that this current ownership can turn anything around. They don't even know who is in charge.

[hoosiers]

13 minutes ago, Uli2001 said:

This is extreme optimism. I have no faith that this current ownership can turn anything around. They don't even know who is in charge.

I know, right?  Folks have already forgotten a nice five year stretch with the same FO, same owner that included three playoff appearances.  

But there's "no faith"!  Got it!

[Hallas]

The only time MLB intervened as far as I can tell is with the Dodgers a few years back when Frank McCourt’s ex-wife raked him over the coals in their divorce proceedings and left him unable to finance the team’s operations.  Unless PGA is somehow insolvent I can’t see that happening here.

[allquixotic]

Right now we’re not even that special in the eyes of an impartial observer. The Royals are just one game “better” than us, with one more win and one fewer loss. So we aren’t some massive outlier with all of the remaining 29 teams nowhere close.

KC has lost 9 games in a row. We’ve lost 6.

Who knows - maybe we won’t secure that first draft pick and KC will lose more than us. It’s possible. Then we have no grounds to complain to MLB either, even if our owner foolishly refuses to trade Machado.

[Tx Oriole]

13 hours ago, Uli2001 said:

If the Orioles fail to win 40 games this season, it will be a mockery and a major black eye to the league. It would be the worst season by an MLB team ever (120 years) by one of the most storied and valuable MLB franchises. This costs the league money.

Since there seems to be clear dereliction of management by the Orioles (no one knows who is in charge) and nothing is being done to try to correct the situation, would it be in the league bylaws to step in? Honest question. 

 

 

Why would they? Its a problem of Angelos and the FO.

[Tx Oriole]

8 hours ago, Uli2001 said:

My point in the OP is that this is not simply losing. It is a situation where no one knows who is in charge, and nothing is being done to try to put a better product on the field. I don't but it's tanking. I think it's a rudderless ship.

Angelos is in charge. What do you expect anyone to do about? DD and Buck will be gone at seasons end. Maybe Angelos sons. 

 

[LocoChris]

How about the Royals? Should they “intervene” for them too?

[theocean]

14 hours ago, Uli2001 said:

If the Orioles fail to win 40 games this season, it will be a mockery and a major black eye to the league. It would be the worst season by an MLB team ever (120 years) by one of the most storied and valuable MLB franchises. This costs the league money.

Since there seems to be clear dereliction of management by the Orioles (no one knows who is in charge) and nothing is being done to try to correct the situation, would it be in the league bylaws to step in? Honest question. 

 

 

The Athletics play in a stadium where sewage backs up into the dugout. MLB hasn't even really intervened there. So, no. MLB isn't going to intervene to help Peter Angelos, who they kind of hate right now because he is suing them.

[esmd]

11 hours ago, spiritof66 said:

I think the Commissioner might get involved if there were a serious possibility of bankruptcy, but short of that I don't see why he or the other MLB owners would mind seeing the Orioles lose a lot of games or the Angeloses lose a lot of money.

That's kind of what I was alluding to when I referenced problems within the ownership group, but I didn't properly flesh it out.  The McCourt situation would be an example.  Also the Wilpon's after the Madoff scandal, although they were able to retain the team, thought it seemed barely so.  Or for another example, Eli Jacobs.

But for incompetency/dysfunction/mismanagement in the baseball operation?  Nope.  Ain't gonna happen.

[esmd]

11 hours ago, foxfield said:

I am pretty sure I saw something about this...somewhere...Twitter, Facetogram?  I can't remember.  They were talking about the Orioles and execution.  I can't remember the exact words, but if you ask me about the Orioles execution.

I'm for it!  

da dum tss

I see what you did there, lol.

[UpstateNYfan]

5 hours ago, allquixotic said:

Right now we’re not even that special in the eyes of an impartial observer. The Royals are just one game “better” than us, with one more win and one fewer loss. So we aren’t some massive outlier with all of the remaining 29 teams nowhere close.

KC has lost 9 games in a row. We’ve lost 6.

Who knows - maybe we won’t secure that first draft pick and KC will lose more than us. It’s possible. Then we have no grounds to complain to MLB either, even if our owner foolishly refuses to trade Machado.

IIRC, didn't KC rather rudely beat the O's a few years back in the playoffs? Many thought they had a model to try to imitate. Guess not. Once in a while teams get lucky for a while. Continued success for mid market teams and below is a real trick.

[esmd]

57 minutes ago, UpstateNYfan said:

IIRC, didn't KC rather rudely beat the O's a few years back in the playoffs? Many thought they had a model to try to imitate. Guess not. Once in a while teams get lucky for a while. Continued success for mid market teams and below is a real trick.

The problem with KC is that their talent aged out and dropped off, plus FA hit for guys like Hosmer and Cain, plus Herrea this fall, and they don't have the payroll flexibility to sign FA's to fill the holes - plus their minor leagues weren't able to produce enough to keep the success going.  The key to sustained success, even for big market teams but especially for small and mid-markets, is drafting/scouting and development.  Maybe someone should tell the O's this so they can increase their scouting staff, be active in the international market, maximize the efficiency/productivity of their development program, etc.