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1 minute ago, Moose Milligan said:

Toss up, for me.  If we trade Manny, Britton and maybe others, I like our chances. 

See, I feel like when those moves are made we could almost improve. I feel like this team needs a shakeup because talent wise we shouldn't be having the worst record in baseball.

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2 minutes ago, ISU94 said:

See, I feel like when those moves are made we could almost improve. I feel like this team needs a shakeup because talent wise we shouldn't be having the worst record in baseball.

I see where you're coming from, it is definitely stale.  Our defense should improve if Mullins gets a call.  Not sure about who'd take SS but they'd have to be better there than Manny.

 

27 minutes ago, Frobby said:

Even when there is a clear consensus it doesn’t always turn out to be right.    Look at Harper vs. Machado, which is arguable either way but Harper was considered heads and shoulders above at the time.     Personally, I’ll take Manny.  

Doesn't mean I wouldn't want to have Harper on the team.  Most (certainly not all) #1 picks usually pan out and have good to great careers. 

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18 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

Doesn't mean I wouldn't want to have Harper on the team.  Most (certainly not all) #1 picks usually pan out and have good to great careers. 

Yes, they do.    The higher the pick, the better the odds.    But fluky things can happen.  

#1: 46 of 54 played in the majors, 1037 WAR total.

#2: 45 of 54 played in the majors, 679 WAR total

#3: 42 of 54 played in the majors, 569 WAR totoal

#4: 41 of 54 played in the majors, 572 WAR total.

#5: 31 of 54 played in the majors, 404 WAR total.

#6: 38 of 54 played in the majors, 559 WAR total.

Oddly, teams have had much better luck in the 6th spot than the 5th spot.

FWIW Manny already has the 7th highest WAR total of any no. 3 pick  (behind Yount, Molitor, Longoria, M. Williams, L. Smith and Glass).

 

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2 minutes ago, Frobby said:

Yes, they do.    The higher the pick, the better the odds.    But fluky things can happen.  

#1: 46 of 54 played in the majors, 1037 WAR total.

#2: 45 of 54 played in the majors, 679 WAR total

#3: 42 of 54 played in the majors, 569 WAR totoal

#4: 41 of 54 played in the majors, 572 WAR total.

#5: 31 of 54 played in the majors, 404 WAR total.

#6: 38 of 54 played in the majors, 559 WAR total.

Oddly, teams have had much better luck in the 6th spot than the 5th spot.

FWIW Manny already has the 7th highest WAR total of any no. 3 pick  (behind Yount, Molitor, Longoria, M. Williams, L. Smith and Glass).

 

1992 - Hammonds - Orioles #4 Pick - 13 season 8.6 WAR, yet Jeter was #6 pick and 72.4 WAR

Drafting is never an exact science, yes, they can make predictions, but its a whole lot of luck involved.

 

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2 minutes ago, Redskins Rick said:

1992 - Hammonds - Orioles #4 Pick - 13 season 8.6 WAR, yet Jeter was #6 pick and 72.4 WAR

Drafting is never an exact science, yes, they can make predictions, but its a whole lot of luck involved.

 

Jeter is a terrible example.  Story has always been that he told teams he would only sign with the Yankees.

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5 minutes ago, Redskins Rick said:

1992 - Hammonds - Orioles #4 Pick - 13 season 8.6 WAR, yet Jeter was #6 pick and 72.4 WAR

Drafting is never an exact science, yes, they can make predictions, but its a whole lot of luck involved.

 

My point with wanting them to have the #1 pick is that...this franchise needs all the luck it can get since they continue to work against themselves.

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Just now, Moose Milligan said:

My point with wanting them to have the #1 pick is that...this franchise needs all the luck it can get since they continue to work against themselves.

To me it's 75% about the draft position 25% about the pool money.  You should be able to save a nice hunk of change off that #1 pool money.

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5 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Jeter is a terrible example.  Story has always been that he told teams he would only sign with the Yankees.

The Orioles were set at SS, and the scouting report on Hammonds, was that he was a true 5 tool guy.

I think the yankee or bust story is a bit over played.

https://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/yankees/derek-jeter/five-teams-passed-on-derek-jeter-here-s-what-they-think-about-that-now-1.8684033

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3 minutes ago, Redskins Rick said:

The Orioles were set at SS, and the scouting report on Hammonds, was that he was a true 5 tool guy.

I think the yankee or bust story is a bit over played.

https://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/yankees/derek-jeter/five-teams-passed-on-derek-jeter-here-s-what-they-think-about-that-now-1.8684033

I think it's the truth.  Now if a team had picked him might he have signed?  Sure.

But I do think they tried to scare teams off.

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