Update: Orioles sign 17 international players highlighted by Basallo and Hernandez

[connja]

1 minute ago, connja said:

First thing that jumps out from this list is only 1 pitcher....

And second thing is that most appear to be up the middle...Catcher/SS/CF.  Looks like they are going for the athletes.

[Can_of_corn]

1 minute ago, connja said:

And second thing is that most appear to be up the middle...Catcher/SS/CF.  Looks like they are going for the athletes.

If you are projected at a corner at 16 I don't think the odds of you being a defensive asset in the majors is very likely.

[Sports Guy]

1 hour ago, Can_of_corn said:

I was giving my take not his take.

That’s fine but you originally quoted me and my point was based off of what he said and I think that is what is poor and irresponsible in terms of spending.

[Can_of_corn]

5 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

That’s fine but you originally quoted me and my point was based off of what he said and I think that is what is poor and irresponsible in terms of spending.

I apologize for assuming you were smart enough to figure out what I meant.

[Sports Guy]

1 minute ago, Can_of_corn said:

I apologize for assuming you were smart enough to figure out what I meant.

And I apologize for assuming that you know how a conversation works.  

[Roll Tide]

2 hours ago, Sports Guy said:

Well you can’t trade this year.

Poorly and irresponsible is paying 1M over market just so you can say you get a top ranked guy.  That is what Roll Tide has advocated.  That is not only paying the player too much (in comparison to market rate) but it also greatly reduces your ability to sign other guys.

This is all about perspective. I don’t ever expect you to admit you had anything wrong. It’s okay as I know that’s who you are! 
 

I adamantly disagree with the notion that you let ownership pocket the money which is what the Angelos group has done in prior years never to be seen again. 
 

Looking at Frobby’s list I mentioned Guerrero Jr and Tatis Jr as pretty good bets and guys that I’d have thrown an extra million at to try and coax them into signing here-

[Sports Guy]

42 minutes ago, Roll Tide said:

This is all about perspective. I don’t ever expect you to admit you had anything wrong. It’s okay as I know that’s who you are! 
 

I adamantly disagree with the notion that you let ownership pocket the money which is what the Angelos group has done in prior years never to be seen again. 
 

Looking at Frobby’s list I mentioned Guerrero Jr and Tatis Jr as pretty good bets and guys that I’d have thrown an extra million at to try and coax them into signing here-

What am I wrong about?  I love how you say stuff like this.  It’s another part of tour schtick.  Next thing you know you will want to get money on an Intl FA being good.

Lol..and I love how you pick out 2 guys who you know the outcomes of to determine that you would have thrown more money at them.

Guess what..the team who gave that money to Tatis didn’t even keep him.  They traded him for an over the hill James Shields.  That tells you about how good they thought he was at the time but yet you knew then you would have overpaid.  Lol.  That’s absurd.  You didn’t even know who the hell he was.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.baseballamerica.com/stories/top-40-international-bonuses-of-2015/%3famphtml
 

Since you knew/know so much about these guys, I assume you have overpaid for the guys on this list too?  (Yes I know you will pick out vlad jr..I’m talking about pretty much everyone else). 

[Roll Tide]

5 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

What am I wrong about?  I love how you say stuff like this.  It’s another part of tour schtick.  Next thing you know you will want to get money on an Intl FA being good.

Lol..and I love how you pick out 2 guys who you know the outcomes of to determine that you would have thrown more money at them.

Guess what..the team who gave that money to Tatis didn’t even keep him.  They traded him for an over the hill James Shields.  That tells you about how good they thought he was at the time but yet you knew then you would have overpaid.  Lol.  That’s absurd.  You didn’t even know who the hell he was.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.baseballamerica.com/stories/top-40-international-bonuses-of-2015/%3famphtml
 

Since you knew/know so much about these guys, I assume you have overpaid for the guys on this list too?  (Yes I know you will pick out vlad jr..I’m talking about pretty much everyone else). 

Your the king of Schtick sir!

Tatis and Guerrero had MLB bloodlines .... So their success was reasonably likely. Why wouldn't you throw extra money at them to try get them in our system?

Sometimes you trade assets to get MLB assets ...so why that matter?

 

[Sports Guy]

3 minutes ago, Roll Tide said:

Your the king of Schtick sir!

Tatis and Guerrero had MLB bloodlines .... So their success was reasonably likely. Why wouldn't you throw extra money at them to try get them in our system?

Sometimes you trade assets to get MLB assets ...so why that matter?

 

So because their dads were good at baseball, that means they were going to be?

So, you think we should have thrown a lot more money and drafted Ryan Ripken far sooner? 

[Can_of_corn]

1 minute ago, Sports Guy said:

So because their dads were good at baseball, that means they were going to be?

So, you think we should have thrown a lot more money and drafted Ryan Ripken far sooner? 

I'm still shocked Pete Rose jr didn't pan out for us.

[Roll Tide]

2 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

So because their dads were good at baseball, that means they were going to be?

So, you think we should have thrown a lot more money and drafted Ryan Ripken far sooner? 

So obviously there are outliers and no the son of a former player doesn't automatically assure success.

Example ..... I am athletic! When I was in school I player a sport each season and even played soccer and football at the same time one year. After high school I played softball several nights per week from my early 20s until my wheels fell off around age 38. My brother on the other had is a puny geek who doesn't like to go outside. At times its hard to imagine that we are from the same gene pool!

Ok ...I'm rambling, but my point is there are no guarantees that the athletic abilities will convey. With that said, In many cases they do ...Biggio is also a very good player , Griffey, Fielder etc etc

Your scouts would determine if said player had baseball instincts.... I know the Orioles wasted money an resources on Hargroves relative etc in the past. Probably mostly as a courtesy.

 

[Sports Guy]

1 minute ago, Roll Tide said:

So obviously there are outliers and no the son of a former player doesn't automatically assure success.

Example ..... I am athletic! When I was in school I player a sport each season and even played soccer and football at the same time one year. After high school I played softball several nights per week from my early 20s until my wheels fell off around age 38. My brother on the other had is a puny geek who doesn't like to go outside. At times its hard to imagine that we are from the same gene pool!

Ok ...I'm rambling, but my point is there are no guarantees that the athletic abilities will convey. With that said, In many cases they do ...Biggio is also a very good player , Griffey, Fielder etc etc

Your scouts would determine if said player had baseball instincts.... I know the Orioles wasted money an resources on Hargroves relative etc in the past. Probably mostly as a courtesy.

 

So, if you admit that there is basically no correlation between an athletic father and their kid, why mention it?

[Roll Tide]

Just now, Sports Guy said:

So, if you admit that there is basically no correlation between an athletic father and their kid, why mention it?

Seriously? What a silly response Rob

There certainly can be! But not in every case. In Ryan Ripken's case (being hypothetical) he rolled a pretty low score on the hereditary dice roll. But, in many cases as I already mentioned Bonds, Griffey, Fielder, Guerrero, Tatis the abilities were transferred. As I mentioned, a scout obviously needed to evaluate the player to determine that. Since we probably didn't have any at the time in the international arena you could throw money into the wind on worse.

[olddogger]

4 hours ago, Chuck A said:

Still waiting for this list to be leaked ...

I count 13 out of the 13 named in the article

[Sports Guy]

7 minutes ago, Roll Tide said:

Seriously? What a silly response Rob

There certainly can be! But not in every case. In Ryan Ripken's case (being hypothetical) he rolled a pretty low score on the hereditary dice roll. But, in many cases as I already mentioned Bonds, Griffey, Fielder, Guerrero, Tatis the abilities were transferred. As I mentioned, a scout obviously needed to evaluate the player to determine that. Since we probably didn't have any at the time in the international arena you could throw money into the wind on worse.

So it can be..or maybe it can’t.  

So really, it’s a complete crap shoot yet you made it seem like it’s a reason to throw extra money at a player.

Makes perfect sense!