Rooting for Arizona?

[Robh21223]

O's and Arizona neck and neck for worst record in MLB. I want that #1 pick.

Go D'backs!! Win a few games for us please!

O's lost tonight and Arizona is scoreless in the 6th at San Francisco.

[Sanfran327]

I wasn't really all-in on losing this year, but I am now. With 1 week to go, I want the 1:1 pick. It would make this nightmare season slightly more palatable if we at least ended up with the top pick.

[NedFromYork]

If tied goes by 2019 standings?  If so O's won 54 and Arizona 87.

[Aglets]

18 minutes ago, NedFromYork said:

If tied goes by 2019 standings?  If so O's won 54 and Arizona 87.

We had identical records in 2020 so yes, the tiebreaker goes by 2019 record.   We win the tiebreaker in other words.  I know this question has come up a lot, hopefully it will start to sink in more.

Problem is we no longer control our own destiny for 1:1.  Beating Boston on Tuesday messed things up.   Arizona has us by 1 game at the moment, hopefully they pick it up in the final stretch!  I think we can definitely lose all remaining 4 games if we really apply ourselves!

[Moose Milligan]

42 minutes ago, Sanfran327 said:

I wasn't really all-in on losing this year, but I am now. With 1 week to go, I want the 1:1 pick. It would make this nightmare season slightly more palatable if we at least ended up with the top pick.

I want the 1:1 pick, too.  But for as crappy as this season has been from a W/L perspective, there's still been a lot to be pleased with.  Like Mullins 30/30, Mountcastle being a legit rookie of the year candidate and leading all rookies in homers, Mancini bounceback, Means no-hitter...and that's not counting what's happened down on the farm with AR, G-Rod, Henderson, Mayo, Pinto, etc.  

It's been a bad year on the surface but there's been a lot of good stuff that's happened...unlike the 2018 team which was the corpse of a once good team.  All I can remember from that year is a team that played well below expectations (even if those expectations were modest), unloading players at the deadline and getting guys back who's names I can no longer recall.  

At least there will be some highlights to look back on in several years.  Maybe this will mark the start of a turnaround.  Knowing the Orioles, probably not...but it could.

[MurphDogg]

I would prefer the 1:1 but the 1:2 isn't the end of the world. At least that extra win against Boston came on the back of good pitching and a clutch home run by Mountcastle. If that win costs us the pick, then so be it.

[OsFanSinceThe80s]

7 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

It's been a bad year on the surface but there's been a lot of good stuff that's happened...unlike the 2018 team which was the corpse of a once good team.  All I can remember from that year is a team that played well below expectations (even if those expectations were modest), unloading players at the deadline and getting guys back who's names I can no longer recall.  

This year is way better than 2018 even if the record isn't much better at the end of the season. We had no idea what was going to happen with the 2018 zombie Orioles. Who was going to the the GM and manager in the future? Remember it was a very real fear that Brady Anderson could have taken over the ship and led the rebuild. 

Even if there is still dysfunction in how the Orioles operate credit still has to go to the Angelos brothers for hiring a GM who was employed in an organization that had a successful rebuild. Even if Elias fails in turning around the Orioles at least the team went into a new direction and started emulating (to a degree) what successful teams are doing today. 

At a minimum the Orioles now have a group of promising young prospects on the horizon ready to join the team over the next couple years. The one thing that has to happen if the O's are going to be above .500 in 2023 is they have to add in veteran talent through free agency and trades to supplement the younger players.

[oriole]

Even at 1:1 would the O’s go for the best player? Seems to me they’d just go under slot so they can pick some fancy lottery pick type of players in rounds 3 and 4

[Aglets]

9 minutes ago, oriole said:

Even at 1:1 would the O’s go for the best player? Seems to me they’d just go under slot so they can pick some fancy lottery pick type of players in rounds 3 and 4

Pretty happy with the last guy we took when we had the 1:1 pick.  

[Moose Milligan]

9 minutes ago, oriole said:

Even at 1:1 would the O’s go for the best player? Seems to me they’d just go under slot so they can pick some fancy lottery pick type of players in rounds 3 and 4

Coby Mayo says hello.

I think if there's a consensus #1 pick, Elias will take that guy.  He did that with AR.  

If there's not a consensus #1 pick, he might go the under-slot route.  Which is fine.

[Sanfran327]

1 hour ago, Moose Milligan said:

I want the 1:1 pick, too.  But for as crappy as this season has been from a W/L perspective, there's still been a lot to be pleased with.  Like Mullins 30/30, Mountcastle being a legit rookie of the year candidate and leading all rookies in homers, Mancini bounceback, Means no-hitter...and that's not counting what's happened down on the farm with AR, G-Rod, Henderson, Mayo, Pinto, etc.  

It's been a bad year on the surface but there's been a lot of good stuff that's happened...unlike the 2018 team which was the corpse of a once good team.  All I can remember from that year is a team that played well below expectations (even if those expectations were modest), unloading players at the deadline and getting guys back who's names I can no longer recall.  

At least there will be some highlights to look back on in several years.  Maybe this will mark the start of a turnaround.  Knowing the Orioles, probably not...but it could.

All good stuff and fantastic individual accomplishments. I remain hopeful that things will get better soon. But a ~51 win season is horrible no matter what goes on at an individual level. I hope Mullins, Mountcastle, Mancini, and Means are all on the next playoff roster.

[Moose Milligan]

7 minutes ago, Sanfran327 said:

All good stuff and fantastic individual accomplishments. I remain hopeful that things will get better soon. But a ~51 win season is horrible no matter what goes on at an individual level. I hope Mullins, Mountcastle, Mancini, and Means are all on the next playoff roster.

I agree, I hope they all are, too.  But I'd rather have a 51 win team with some cool individual accomplishments than a team without.  

[jabba72]

It might come down to the very last game. 

[oriole]

17 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

Coby Mayo says hello.

I think if there's a consensus #1 pick, Elias will take that guy.  He did that with AR.  

If there's not a consensus #1 pick, he might go the under-slot route.  Which is fine.

I don’t like the approach. Sure, it’s a calculated risk and they know a lot more about player development than me…but when you have high draft picks it seems crazy to me to pass on better players.

Rutschman was too good to pass up I guess, is that the case with Elijah Green? Either way, I don’t care at this point if the O’s have the first or second pick. The player they end up taking probably won’t be one of the top guys on most draft boards anyways. 

[Tony-OH]

1 hour ago, oriole said:

Even at 1:1 would the O’s go for the best player? Seems to me they’d just go under slot so they can pick some fancy lottery pick type of players in rounds 3 and 4

You mean like in the COVID shortened 5 round draft where they got Mayo in the 4th round with the savings they got from getting Kjerstad instead of Austin Martin? Who would you rather have in the system right now? Martin, who slashed just  .270/.414/.382/.796 with the same power and defensive concerns (under .900 fld PCT at SS) or Mayo and Kjerstad?