2023 Lineup Guesses

[RZNJ]

CF Mullins

2B Frazier

C Rutshman

DH Santander

3B Henderson

1B Mountcastle 

RF Stowers

LF Hays

SS Mateo

Urias plays super sub if he's here.

[Yardball85]

11 hours ago, Aristotelian said:

+1 to both, these guys are not platoon players. McKenna will probably get a few starts against RHP to rest Cedric but not on a regular basis. Adley will rest day games after night games whether the pitcher is RH or LH, but should start 150+ games at C or DH. 

RHP: Cedric CF, Adley C, Gunnar SS, Santander DH, Mountcastle 1B, Stowers RF, Hays/Vavra LF, Urias 3B, Frazier 2B 

LHP: Cedric CF, Adley C, Mountcastle 1B, Santander DH, Gunnar 3B, Hays LF, Urias 2B, Stowers RF, Mateo SS

Adley DH vs RHP: Cedric CF, Adley DH, Gunnar SS, Santander RF, Mountcastle 1B, Hays/Vavra LF, Urias 3B, Frazier 2B, McAnn C

Adley DH vs LHP: Cedric CF, Adley DH, Mountcastle 1B, Santander RF, Gunnar 3B, Hays LF, Urias 2B, McAnn C, Mateo SS

I just feel like Mateo on the bench against all righties is a waste, especially defensively.  This is yet another reason why signing Frazier made no sense, and why trading one of Mateo/Urias does make sense.

Nothing wrong with your post though, I agree with all of this if that is the team we have going in (though I think it is McCann, not McAnn )

[Moose Milligan]

It is my hope that if Adam Frazier's OBP is what it was last year in Seattle, they don't keep trying him at the top of the order in hopes that he regains his 2018 skills.

[Frobby]

For laughs, I went back to look at the 1969 Orioles, who as I recalled, had an extremely fixed lineup:

1st Buford 139 starts in that spot

2nd Blair 130

3rd F. Robinson 141

4th Powell 141

5th B Robinson 125

8th Belanger 100

Only the 6th and 7th spots were something of a mystery.   Even there, Davey Johnson started just over half the games (82) in the 6th spot.

[Frobby]

1 minute ago, Moose Milligan said:

It is my hope that if Adam Frazier's OBP is what it was last year in Seattle, they don't keep trying him at the top of the order in hopes that he regains his 2018 skills.

It is my hope that Frazier’s OBP won’t be what it was last year, but much closer to his career norm.  But even then, I’d probably prefer to have him low in the order.  

[Frobby]

1 hour ago, Aristotelian said:

I don't really expect any of these to get all 1-9 but I like the exercise to see some full lineups and think through the options, different roles for guys, and next guy up. 

I hear you.  I just think it’s going to be a dazzling array of different lineups.  

[wildcard]

10 hours ago, RZNJ said:

CF Mullins

2B Frazier

C Rutshman

DH Santander

3B Henderson

1B Mountcastle 

RF Stowers

LF Hays

SS Mateo

Urias plays super sub if he's here.

Have you noticed that Santander has a career 704 OPS as a DH and a 642 OPS as a DH last year.   The O's are going to need Santander to hit so he may be playing the OF to make that happen.

[RZNJ]

2 minutes ago, wildcard said:

Have you noticed that Santander has a career 704 OPS as a DH and a 642 OPS as a DH last year.   The O's are going to need Santander to hit so he may be playing the OF to make that happen.

Have you noticed that he's a below average defender in RF and if Stowers can play an average RF and hit then it might be better to have Santander DH and try to do better than a .704 OPS?    Just saying!

[wildcard]

18 minutes ago, RZNJ said:

Have you noticed that he's a below average defender in RF and if Stowers can play an average RF and hit then it might be better to have Santander DH and try to do better than a .704 OPS?    Just saying!

I would rather think that Santander plays an average RF (.5 UZR) and Stowers plays an above average RF (2 UZR).

[Frobby]

6 minutes ago, wildcard said:

I would rather think that Santander plays an average RF (.5 UZR) and Stowers plays an above average RF (2 UZR).

It’s interesting to note that Santander played much better in RF than LF last year, according to the various metrics.  I’ll have to look, but I think almost all his LF starts were on the road.  (Edit: I’m correct.  34 of 38 games in LF were on the road.  59 of 84 in RF were at home.)

Edited January 14, 2023 by Frobby

[wildcard]

6 minutes ago, Frobby said:

It’s interesting to note that Santander played much better in RF than LF last year, according to the various metrics.  I’ll have to look, but I think almost all his LF starts were on the road.

Yes, I agree but the O's scored 674 runs last year.   If they are going to make the playoffs they need to do better.    Gunnar will help but Santander is worse than Mancini at DH.  If they need to play Santander in the OF to score more runs they may have to consider that.

Edited January 14, 2023 by wildcard

[Frobby]

13 minutes ago, wildcard said:

Yes, I agree but the O's scored 674 runs last year.   If they are going to make the playoffs they need to do better.    Gunnar will help but Santander is worse than Mancini at DH.  If they need to play Santander in the OF to score more runs they may have to consider that.

I do think some players have trouble hitting as DH, but I don’t know if I’d draw that conclusion about Santander based on his limited time as a DH (62 games in his career).   Could just be a small sample size fluke.   But I’m not saying that for sure.  

Anyway, all I was doing was pointing out that Santander was better in RF than LF defensively last year, and that his LF games were almost exclusively on the road.  I wasn’t making an argument about him being a DH.  There’s a lot that goes into that decision, and in any event it won’t be an all or nothing thing.  He’ll play the field some and DH some, I expect.  
 

[wildcard]

On 1/12/2023 at 7:59 PM, ThisIsBirdland said:

Any early guesses as to how Hyde will typically fill out the lineup card this year? My first stab at it:

Vs RHP:

CF Cedric Mullins (L)

C Adley Rutschman (S)

3B Gunnar Henderson (L)

DH Anthony Santander (S)

1B Ryan Mountcastle (R)

2B Adam Frazier (L)

LF Austin Hays (R)

RF Kyle Stowers (L)

SS Jorge Mateo (R)

Bench: McCann (R), Urias (R), McKenna (R), Vavra (L)

Vs LHP

CF Austin Hays (R)

DH Adley Rutschman (S)

RF Anthony Santander (S)

1B Ryan Mountcastle (R)

SS Gunnar Henderson (L)

C James McCann (R)

2B Adam Frazier (L)

3B Ramon Urias (R)

RF Kyle Stowers (L)

Bench: Mullins (L), Mateo (R), McKenna (R), Vavra (L) 

McKenna had a 794 OPS vs lefties last season.   He probably starts in center vs lefties.

[Can_of_corn]

1 minute ago, wildcard said:

McKenna had a 794 OPS vs lefties last season.   He probably starts in center vs lefties.

It was 63 at bats.

[wildcard]

33 minutes ago, Frobby said:

I do think some players have trouble hitting as DH, but I don’t know if I’d draw that conclusion about Santander based on his limited time as a DH (62 games in his career).   Could just be a small sample size fluke.   But I’m not saying that for sure.  

Anyway, all I was doing was pointing out that Santander was better in RF than LF defensively last year, and that his LF games were almost exclusively on the road.  I wasn’t making an argument about him being a DH.  There’s a lot that goes into that decision, and in any event it won’t be an all or nothing thing.  He’ll play the field some and DH some, I expect.  
 

252 PA is close to half a season at DH in his career.