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23 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

We also need to remember that most starters aren’t going deep into games anymore. Our mindset on that type of thing has to change.

I agree wholeheartedly with this point. Five and dive is becoming the new normal for a lot of starters.  

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On 4/10/2023 at 11:37 AM, Frobby said:

I agree wholeheartedly with this point. Five and dive is becoming the new normal for a lot of starters.  

The problem is that Hall has gone five or more innings in just 8 of his 32 starts between AA and AAA. He uses too many pitches to get guys out on a normal day. He needs to be moved to a reliever where he will have the most value at the major league level. Add him and Wells to the major league bullpen and suddenly they have themselves some weapons.

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1 hour ago, Tony-OH said:

The problem is that Hall has gone five or more innings in just 8 of his 32 starts between AA and AAA. He uses too many pitches to get guys out on a normal day. He needs to be moved to a reliever where he will have the most value at the major league level. Add him and Wells to the major league bullpen and suddenly they have themselves some weapons.

100% agree with this take. I was just coming to this thread to post the same thing.

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13 minutes ago, wildcard said:

Way too early to make Hall a reliever IMO.  He is 24 and has two options left.  Keep letting him learn how to start at AAA.   He could develop into a TOR starter.

I don’t know about “way” too early, but I’d give it half a season.  

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Was going back and forth with Connolly about this the other day and he feels there is no hurry and they should give him the full season.

I think that’s valid but I wouldn’t do it unless he is showing real signs of improvement with his command and control. I’m giving him up to 15 starts to start showing real improvement and if not, I would move him. 

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I think the needs of the major league team will start to have more consideration in these type of decisions. DL Hall could be useful in the bullpen right now with Givens and Tate on the shelf. If this were last year, I would say no need to rush him, but we are in win now territory.

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2 hours ago, Tony-OH said:

The problem is that Hall has gone five or more innings in just 8 of his 32 starts between AA and AAA. He uses too many pitches to get guys out on a normal day. He needs to be moved to a reliever where he will have the most value at the major league level. Add him and Wells to the major league bullpen and suddenly they have themselves some weapons.

Wells, however, is one of the more pitch efficient of the starters.  It seems like he is being punished in some sense for just being good out of the pen.  

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1 hour ago, wildcard said:

Way too early to make Hall a reliever IMO.  He is 24 and has two options left.  Keep letting him learn how to start at AAA.   He could develop into a TOR starter.

We have his entire minor league career numbers to know he's never going to have the command to become a TOR. could he become a 4-5 inning starter if that's what you want, sure, but the Orioles can get that from a lesser prospect and turn Hall into a real weapon as a reliever. 

24-years old is not that young and there's only so many bullets in that arm. If the Orioles want to compete this year they should make that move sooner than later.

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Do all of Gillaspie, Coulombe and Baumann give us a better chance to win tonight?     I don't think they do.     Elias has years and years and years of data on his abilities.

Any pitcher in the Rodrigo Lopez/Austin Voth role that gets Outs well enough will create bigger opportunities for themselves.     You can use all your pitches once through the order.

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32 minutes ago, Just Regular said:

Do all of Gillaspie, Coulombe and Baumann give us a better chance to win tonight?     I don't think they do.     Elias has years and years and years of data on his abilities.

Any pitcher in the Rodrigo Lopez/Austin Voth role that gets Outs well enough will create bigger opportunities for themselves.     You can use all your pitches once through the order.

But this year isn’t all about winning. That’s the flaw in this whole argument.

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I’d prefer to see him up here as a reliever but I wouldn’t close the book on him as a starter.   The Orioles thinking is probably that if they can pick up a Cionel Perez and Darwinzon Hernandez ( 26 yo LH with 8 strikeouts in 3 IP) on the cheap, why not give Hall as many chances and time it takes to improve his command in the minors as a starter.  I think he can do that as a ML reliever.  

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3 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

But this year isn’t all about winning. That’s the flaw in this whole argument.

It’s not about winning at all costs.  I do think they think they have a team capable of making the playoffs.

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