Clubhouse issues?

[Frobby]

11 hours ago, Roy Firestone said:

He answered the question appropriately. It ISNT his job to respond to "not being on the same page". His job is to pitch. And he did his job well tonight.He deserved better.

I didn’t interpret his answer as suggesting there were clubhouse issues.  More like “sorry, not my table.”

[LookitsPuck]

1 minute ago, Frobby said:

I didn’t interpret his answer as suggesting there were clubhouse issues.  More like “sorry, not my table.”

That’s how I read it.

[HowAboutThat]

4 hours ago, terpoh said:

I mean we literally have 12 out of the opening day 26 hopeful contributors (13 if you include Felix) on the IL. I know every team deals with injuries- we were very fortunate last year on that end. But losing nearly 50% of your roster, many of which are big time contributors, is going to put us at a big time talent deficit. 

Westburg/Mounty/Urias/Kjerstad/Mateo instead of Rivera/Soto/Maton/Jimenez/Mayo is a huge dropoff. 

Bradish/Means/Wells/Grayson led to a huge dropoff.

Coulombe/Webb instead of Smith/Selby/Irvin/Bowman etc is a huge drop off.

Our saving grace is that 6-7 of these guys could be coming back in the next 2 weeks.

The problem isn’t the guys who are injured. It’s the terrible play from the regulars who are not, and how Hyde is using the players. Yes, we have substandard replacements, and that’s not Hyde’s fault, but the embarrassing play is his responsibility.

Edited September 12 by HowAboutThat

[ledzepp8]

27 minutes ago, Frobby said:

I didn’t interpret his answer as suggesting there were clubhouse issues.  More like “sorry, not my table.”

Exactly right. The question didn’t really make any sense to begin with and he basically answered with a, “i don’t know. Why are you asking me?”  

[ledzepp8]

11 minutes ago, HowAboutThat said:

The problem isn’t the guys who are injured. It’s the terrible play from the regulars who are not, and how Hyde is using the players. Yes, we have substandard replacements, and that’s not Hyde’s fault, but the embarrassing play is his responsibility.

What does this even mean? You note that we have replacements that aren’t as good, admit that it’s not Hyde’s fault, then blame him for the mistakes that arise from them being substandard players. 

[HowAboutThat]

4 hours ago, Moose Milligan said:

How could any of us know if he lost the clubhouse when none of us have clubhouse access?

That’s a fair question, and of course no one can know. But these guys aren’t stupid. They know something is wrong, and it goes beyond the players. We have the replacement level replacements, who are doing their best because they make $6,000 per day and want to keep it up, but they are replacement level for a reason.

But regulars who are playing terrible know they are playing terrible, and they know the other guys are awful and they’re all thinking “oh &#$, not again.” Of course they support each other, but it’s impossible not to be frustrated. And it happens over and over and over again. Every single game bonehead plays abound.

I think they all care, especially when one guy does an outstanding job, and another completely wastes it.

It’s impossible for that to not build up into tremendous frustration, especially when the players may think it’s improper for them to call each other out, so they have to suck it up.

So, you are correct, we have no idea what goes on in there. But it would be ridiculous to think there isn’t any friction that needs to be dealt with. And dealing with it is Hyde’s job.

As an aside, that question just show how stupid most baseball reporters are. As @clapdiddy mentioned, what does the question even mean? Kremer’s answer was fine, but a better response would have been” what do you mean by that?”

[sportsfan8703]

35 minutes ago, Frobby said:

I didn’t interpret his answer as suggesting there were clubhouse issues.  More like “sorry, not my table.”

I took it as, I can't control the hitting.  

[HowAboutThat]

4 hours ago, Sports Guy said:

Just based off of that quote, is there any reason to think some underlying issues are going on. Like I said, maybe not with the clubhouse but maybe the players aren’t happy with the FO?

That goes without saying, the players are smarter than we are and have strong ideas about what should be done, especially when what IS being done is failing so badly.

[HowAboutThat]

3 hours ago, Aristotelian said:

 

Whatever the question was, he says he's not answering it and it's a question for the front office. I don't see how that means or implies anything negative. Maybe there is something going on but that quote is not evidence. 

Although I think there are serious problems, I agree with you completely. Kremer’s answer was exactly what it should have been. The question itself was stupid and leading. They need better writers.

[maybenxtyr]

Just now, HowAboutThat said:

That goes without saying, the players are smarter than we are and have strong ideas about what should be done, especially when what IS being done is failing so badly.

The main reason this season has been a disappointment is because of my expectations.

 

On / 12 they are 1.5 games out of first place and the number 1 WC. That's not necessarily what I would call failing badly. 

[HowAboutThat]

3 hours ago, Can_of_corn said:

Why do folks always have to cry about payroll?

The O's had the top farm in the game, they shouldn't have to resort to the depths they have to find guys that can stand on second base with a glove on their hand.

Part of building a team is building depth.  The O's have traded a lot of that position player depth to fill the holes in their pitching staff generated by their draft strategy.

You are correct. The draft strategy is bad. It might have been defensible, but it isn’t now, and yet, even in the ‘24 draft, Elias didn’t change, and his top draft pick was a guy who does everything except hit…which is the most important thing.

[HowAboutThat]

3 hours ago, Can_of_corn said:

Why do folks always have to cry about payroll?

The O's had the top farm in the game, they shouldn't have to resort to the depths they have to find guys that can stand on second base with a glove on their hand.

Part of building a team is building depth.  The O's have traded a lot of that position player depth to fill the holes in their pitching staff generated by their draft strategy.

You are correct. The draft strategy is bad. It might have been defensible, but it isn’t now, and yet, even in the ‘24 draft, Elias didn’t change, and his top draft pick was a guy who does everything except hit…which is the most important thing.

[HowAboutThat]

13 minutes ago, ledzepp8 said:

What does this even mean? You note that we have replacements that aren’t as good, admit that it’s not Hyde’s fault, then blame him for the mistakes that arise from them being substandard players. 

The embarrassing play FROM THE REGULARS. The subs are subs, and will be gone soon. When superstars play like crap, and they are definitely playing like crap, and they themselves know it, something is going on, and the manager is the most likely guy to deal with whatever is wrong. 
 

[Too Tall]

My take - stupid question - proper answer - end of story. Find something else to pick at. 

[SteveA]

1 hour ago, waroriole said:

One example of his over-reliance on L/R is how he did and does platoon guys like Westburg, Mayo, and Urias. They all hit RH pitching better than LH but he was very stubborn on making them part of a platoon situation. The results have been good this year for PH but I’m more interested in process than results with a SSS. 

Platooning Westburg????   He played in 101 of 109 games before getting hurt.   He was never platooned, unless your definition of platooning is giving a guy an occasional day off in the long grind of a season.

Platooning Mayo?   He has 10 starts.   6 vs RHP, 4 vs LHP.

Absolute nonsense.

Also don't forget that just because a player may not show a platoon advantage vs the other side, or even has slight "backwards splits",  often the pitcher does have an extreme platoon disadvantage, so even if the player is platoon neutral it or slightly backwards, could STILL be the correct move to get the bat in against the pitcher who gets hit hard by righties..