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None of this is surprising but the Os Baseball Operations continues to behave more like a large corporation or govt org when it comes to personnel changes i.e. very passive aggressive.  Coaches not feeling secure and pursue other options, Elias doesn’t work hard to counter or retain.  Pursue new coaches.  

Net effect is new bench coach and hitting staff which will be expected to help players and team reach full potential.   Hyde enters 2025 as manager most on the hot seat. 

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Jammer7
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This is true. However, it is more situational in the post season. Guys are pitched to differently. You have to take what the game gives you. Home runs happen, but the best teams know when to take that

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I really don't know what's going on other than the hitting was very poor situationally in the 2nd half of the season and was a bust in the playoffs.  Perhaps Elias realized the hitting philosophy

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Like I said in another thread. I wonder if it’s for Buck Britton. 

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From the Banner:

"The Orioles will have a new hitting department next season after two of their main major league coaches decided to depart the organization.

Last week, co-hitting coach Ryan Fuller was one of three coaches to depart. And now co-hitting coach Matt Borgschulte is leaving Baltimore to return to the Minnesota Twins organization, a source confirmed. It remains to be seen whether offensive strategy coach Code Asche will remain."

https://www.thebaltimorebanner.com/sports/orioles-mlb/orioles-hitting-coach-matt-borgschulte-hired-by-twins-MOJBT5365ZGV3KJOG7BKBUJYBE/

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1 minute ago, LookitsPuck said:

From the Banner:

"The Orioles will have a new hitting department next season after two of their main major league coaches decided to depart the organization.

Last week, co-hitting coach Ryan Fuller was one of three coaches to depart. And now co-hitting coach Matt Borgschulte is leaving Baltimore to return to the Minnesota Twins organization, a source confirmed. It remains to be seen whether offensive strategy coach Code Asche will remain."

https://www.thebaltimorebanner.com/sports/orioles-mlb/orioles-hitting-coach-matt-borgschulte-hired-by-twins-MOJBT5365ZGV3KJOG7BKBUJYBE/

Will be interesting to see if his position on the Twins is a promotion, a step down, or a lateral move.

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My take is teams smelled blood for Orioles coaches and these guys got offers very quickly after the season. I think both decided to take jobs/promotions/resume builders rather than risk being fired and in limbo, which may or may not have happened. We'll see where Fuller goes. 

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This is great and all, but does it mean we will see an entire organizational hitting philosophy change? Because I am continually reminded by O's "X" and podcasters that swinging for the fences is analytically more effective in the playoffs.

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This may be a question best answered by @Just Regular. Are there coaches in Japan who are viewed as hitting gurus? Who taught Ohtani to hit? Finding a guy or guys from outside the traditional places a team finds hitting coaches is kind of outside-the-box thinking. But doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result also seems rather flawed.

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It's not that odd. Borgschulte got offered the head hitting coach job in the place where he came from and probably desired to stay in the first place. 

Fuller probably saw the writing on the wall. The report is he left on his own, but maybe the Orioles wanted to reassign him. Maybe he's got a job offer somewhere that is desirable to him. 

We don't have to assume drama. 

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2 hours ago, kidrock said:

@Tony-OH can you weigh in here with your thoughts?  an odd situation for sure.

I really don't know what's going on other than the hitting was very poor situationally in the 2nd half of the season and was a bust in the playoffs. 

Perhaps Elias realized the hitting philosophy needs some refinement or tweaking? Maybe he realized that having two voices plus a hitting strategy coach was not working? Maybe he's giving guys a chance to find other positions vs "firing them?" 

In the end, I don't think anyone should be too upset over the hitting coaches leaving/being let go. I certainly hope they bring in a hitting coach who has some major league experience. Allow that coach to make the hitting adjustments while the strategy coach digs up the pertinent information to help the situation. 

I truly think it helps to have a guy who has been there and done that at the major league level to help young hitters out. When hitters struggle over long periods of time, they start to get anxious and many will seek help. But its got to be tough for them to really take what a hitting coach who came out of lab and was coaching high schoolers not that long before he got the job, seriously. 

Hitting is a feel thing and some guys can't take too much information. Some guys need that guy who can simplify things. 

My guess is that things had become a little complicated with three voices and no major league experience. 

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