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I think it's kind of amazing how people equate spending money on free agents directly with winning.

Like it's not possible to win without high priced free agents.

It's not possible to win without premium talent.

As I've stated, they don't necessarily have to be paid like $20 million per season/$100 million+ contract players, but they have to produce like one would.

Right now the Orioles do not have that type of positional player, yet. And they won't be winning anything until they do.

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I think the point was that there hasn't been much difference between them THIS year (thus far).

Since this thread was started obviously as a reaction to the 1-11 start, you have to take into consideration that even if we had signed Matt Holiday, it's not unlikely that we would have started...1-11. Thus leading to the same knee jerk reactions, and yet we would have done exactly what the OP was asking.

If we had Holliday's offense, I think we would have won at least 1 or 2 more games.

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It's not possible to win without premium talent.

As I've stated, they don't necessarily have to be paid like $20 million per season/$100 million+ contract players, but they have to produce like one would.

Right now the Orioles do not have that type of positional player, yet. And they won't be winning anything until they do.

The Orioles need to be going after the young premium guys that aren't established...Push for Smoak or someone along those lines...would much rather overpay for a guy like that.

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The Orioles need to be going after the young premium guys that aren't established...Push for Smoak or someone along those lines...would much rather overpay for a guy like that.

I'd love to see that, but it's going to take trading Chris Tillman and/or Jake Arrieta to do that.

Maybe not both, but teams value their young positional players more that they used to.

The key was to draft it, and the Orioles failed to do that, choosing HS players instead that are at least 3-4 years away.

After Wieters, they dropped the ball on drafting young ML ready positional talent.

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The Orioles need to be going after the young premium guys that aren't established...Push for Smoak or someone along those lines...would much rather overpay for a guy like that.
Smoak being a premium guy is very much in doubt though. Paying for established guys through free agency is sometimes better. Depends on what you'd have to give up for Smoak and what you think he'll become. Both approaches have their risks.

I really want us to go hard after Pena in the offseason. I think he'd be a near perfect addition, and his slightly older age should keep him limited to a 4-5 year deal at absolute max, maybe as short as 3 years. And, we wouldn't have to wait for him to adjust like we may with a younger player (or going with Snyder). It may have some negative implications on the back end, but I think we should be close enough to contending next year that the addition of Pena is felt immediately.

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I'd love to see that, but it's going to take trading Chris Tillman and/or Jake Arrieta to do that.

Maybe not both, but teams value their young positional players more that they used to.

The key was to draft it, and the Orioles failed to do that, choosing HS players instead that are at least 3-4 years away.

After Wieters, they dropped the ball on drafting young ML ready positional talent.

And that's a deal we need to make IMO.
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Smoak being a premium guy is very much in doubt though. Paying for established guys through free agency is sometimes better. Depends on what you'd have to give up for Smoak and what you think he'll become. Both approaches have their risks.

I really want us to go hard after Pena in the offseason. I think he'd be a near perfect addition, and his slightly older age should keep him limited to a 4-5 year deal at absolute max, maybe as short as 3 years. And, we wouldn't have to wait for him to adjust like we may with a younger player (or going with Snyder). It may have some negative implications on the back end, but I think we should be close enough to contending next year that the addition of Pena is felt immediately.

Maybe in your mind....

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I'd love to see that, but it's going to take trading Chris Tillman and/or Jake Arrieta to do that.

Maybe not both, but teams value their young positional players more that they used to.

The only pitcher in the minor league system I would not move for Smoak is Zach Britton. I'd trade Tillman and Erbe today for him, but would much prefer sending Tillman and Snyder for him. I doubt they'd do it, but I would.

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Smoak being a premium guy is very much in doubt though. Paying for established guys through free agency is sometimes better. Depends on what you'd have to give up for Smoak and what you think he'll become. Both approaches have their risks.

I really want us to go hard after Pena in the offseason. I think he'd be a near perfect addition, and his slightly older age should keep him limited to a 4-5 year deal at absolute max, maybe as short as 3 years. And, we wouldn't have to wait for him to adjust like we may with a younger player (or going with Snyder). It may have some negative implications on the back end, but I think we should be close enough to contending next year that the addition of Pena is felt immediately.

I understand what you are saying, and I'm not against going after Pena at all next off season, but if Smoak was available, he's a guy the Orioles should covet.

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The only pitcher in the minor league system I would not move for Smoak is Zach Britton. I'd trade Tillman and Erbe today for him, but would much prefer sending Tillman and Snyder for him. I doubt they'd do it, but I would.

Now that he's caught fire, I doubt the Rangers move Smoak for anybody less than Matusz himself.

He is going to be their new Teixeira.

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BTW with Pie's injury, and Reimold's gimpyness, Matt Holliday looks a lot better now doesn't he?

That's why you don't wait for the perfect fit because things will work out.

You need to acquire talent when you can get it.

We may have to pursue Jayson Werth this offseason now.

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