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This will not even come close. You think a team gives up a star shortstop for 1 top ten prospect from a team with a weak minor league system? Avery is the best player of this weak bunch and he's probably a true #7 or #8 prospect in a good system and FAR from a sure thing. You don't think they can do better?

I agree with Tony. The RSox could give a young shortstop in return (Lowrie) plus a top prospect (Kelly) and feel resonably confident that they could sign Reyes long term.

I find it amusing that everyone is all over AM to have a big offseason but when push comes to shove most posters aren't really willing to make a sincere offer.

If we want Reyes or Fielder or Gonzalez, I'd assume the conversation starts (emphasis added) with Britton (i'm assuming that Matusz and Weiters aren't available) and we'd have to add more.

If we want to add a top notch player, we're going to have to add top notch talent and if we're not ok with this, then we have to accept a pretty quiet offseason.

Reyes hasn't been a "top-notch" player for a couple years, and he's a year away from FA. Granted, I think the offers that've been suggested are light, to say the least, but players like Reyes, AGon and Fielder aren't going to bring back king's ransoms.

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Players who were moved recently, and I'm sure others can come up with more, in their contract year include Javy Vasquez, Matt Holliday, etc. I do not believe Reyes would net the same yield as those two.

I agree the conversation would start with Britton and I would not send Britton to the NYM. I doubt other organizations would part with a similarly regarding prospect. You just never know the regard other organizations might have for guys like Chris Tillman, Felix Pie, Nolan Reimold, Brandon Snyder and Josh Bell.

When we dealt Miggy, we hoped that Patton and Albers would be the center of that deal, but it was the older OFer, Luke Scott, who turned that deal into a rip-off. Our current Luke Scott is Nolan Reimold, IMO.

I would certainly play for Reyes - especially if he would sign an extension. Our future competitiveness would take a massive leap forward with Reyes.

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This.

The Mets are almost certainly looking to move Reyes because of his salary and the fact he's a FA after next year. I don't see anyone trading them a young, quality positional player for a one year rental of a player who's going to cost 11M and then be a free agent.

If a team like the Red Sox or O's is willing to eat all of his salary and will part with minor league prospects and possibly a major league player like a middle reliever or a average quality veteran positional player, they should be able to land Reyes.

There is no possible way that I'd trade any of our young core and certainly not Adam Jones for one year of Reyes.

Given the amount of money that's owed, this deal should be treated just like a trade deadline salary dump with the Mets getting slightly more value than they would in July.

The only way this deal makes sense for the Rays is if they are willing to overpay in terms of players they send back in exchange for the Mets eating most or all of his salary. If the Mets are trying to clear salary for other moves, then that shouldn't work out for either club.

You speak common sense totally. However I would be willing to see if Tillman and a prospect, for example, gets it done. My feeling is we could trump anything the Red Sox offer and I can tell you right now Casey Kelly would NOT be in the discussion for a one year rental:)

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I'm just saying that will be a deal similar to what they get imo. A shortstop to replace him along with a power bat and a relief pitcher. 3-1 is what they will be looking for along with that type of talent in the deal. Two proven players along with a hope so in there.

Jose reyes has been worth 20+ mill in three of his 8 seasons played and worth 11 mill last year. 2 years from being worth 27 million WOW! I think this kind of proven production will cost you no matter how many years he gives you.

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I'm just saying that will be a deal similar to what they get imo. A shortstop to replace him along with a power bat and a relief pitcher. 3-1 is what they will be looking for along with that type of talent in the deal. Two proven players along with a hope so in there.

Jose reyes has been worth 20+ mill in three of his 8 seasons played and worth 11 mill last year. 2 years from being worth 27 million WOW! I think this kind of proven production will cost you no matter how many years he gives you.

But it makes no sense for the O's to trade for him, unless it's with a window to extend, any more than it does to trade for AGonz or Fielder. We won't contend next year without a TOR SP and we aren't signing Lee and Matusz isn't becoming Lee lite anytime soon. So one year of Reyes does us no good beyond the draft picks. He makes up for what we lose with Scott and DH. It's a lateral move, except we give up Givens for nothing.
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But it makes no sense for the O's to trade for him, unless it's with a window to extend, any more than it does to trade for AGonz or Fielder. We won't contend next year without a TOR SP and we aren't signing Lee and Matusz isn't becoming Lee lite anytime soon. So one year of Reyes does us no good beyond the draft picks. He makes up for what we lose with Scott and DH. It's a lateral move, except we give up Givens for nothing.

I agree with this!

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But it makes no sense for the O's to trade for him, unless it's with a window to extend, any more than it does to trade for AGonz or Fielder. We won't contend next year without a TOR SP and we aren't signing Lee and Matusz isn't becoming Lee lite anytime soon. So one year of Reyes does us no good beyond the draft picks. He makes up for what we lose with Scott and DH. It's a lateral move, except we give up Givens for nothing.

Can you or someone else explain to me why Lee deserves TOR SP status? Yes, he was phenomenal in the playoffs (until the WS, anyway...), but he's only had one truly stellar season. Plus, he really wasn't even that great for the Rangers before the AL playoffs rolled around...

I guess I just take issue with the phrase "Lee lite." Lee's career has been anything but consistent(ly great). IMO, Matusz stands a chance of being a lot better.

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If the Mets are looking to dump salary, they have plenty of other expensive players that the Orioles could use (in addition to Reyes) that would lower NY's prospect demands and eliminate trade competition (Red Sox).

The O's should ask the Mets for Reyes & Beltran and offer to pay only Carlos' non-deferred 2010 salary ($13.5M) for a package similar to: Pie, Givens, Adams, Pelzer, Vanden Hurk.

It is risky, but if Reyes does not extend...chances are he is a Type A. If he bounces back (Thyroid and side issues in 2010 really hurt his production), the Orioles get serious production from their SS without selling the farm.

Beltran is very risky and expensive, but Carlos was a monster at the end of 2010 (950+ OPS -after shaking the rust off). He mashes LHP; would be perfect switch hitting @ #3 in the lineup (ahead of Markakis @ #2). The opportunity to protect his knee as an occasional DH with the Orioles in a walk year, should be enough for CB to lift his no-trade clause (the O's other Boras clients in 2010: Wieters, Bell, Arrieta, Patterson, Atkins, Gonzalez). Remember CB's last walk year (8 HR's in the post season)? How about that career postseason 1.302 OPS?

This type of trade would really raise some eyebrows around the league and could help lure other FA targets this off season (and next), provide quality/depth in the lineup (#1/2, #3/4 hitters) if other FA's/trade acquisitions do not produce as anticipated (Derrek Lee/Reynolds types). The O's would have two regular all-star players in the headlines that would draw national attention throughout the season.

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If the Mets are looking to dump salary, they have plenty of other expensive players that the Orioles could use (in addition to Reyes) that would lower NY's prospect demands and eliminate trade competition (Red Sox).

The O's should ask the Mets for Reyes & Beltran and offer to pay only Carlos' non-deferred 2010 salary ($13.5M) for a package similar to: Pie, Givens, Adams, Pelzer, Vanden Hurk.

It is risky, but if Reyes does not extend...chances are he is a Type A. If he bounces back (Thyroid and side issues in 2010 really hurt his production), the Orioles get serious production from their SS without selling the farm.

Beltran is very risky and expensive, but Carlos was a monster at the end of 2010 (950+ OPS -after shaking the rust off). He mashes LHP; would be perfect switch hitting @ #3 in the lineup (ahead of Markakis @ #2). The opportunity to protect his knee as an occasional DH with the Orioles in a walk year, should be enough for CB to lift his no-trade clause (the O's other Boras clients in 2010: Wieters, Bell, Arrieta, Patterson, Atkins, Gonzalez). Remember CB's last walk year (8 HR's in the post season)? How about that career postseason 1.302 OPS?

This type of trade would really raise some eyebrows around the league and could help lure other FA targets this off season (and next), provide quality/depth in the lineup (#1/2, #3/4 hitters) if other FA's/trade acquisitions do not produce as anticipated (Derrek Lee/Reynolds types). The O's would have two regular all-star players in the headlines that would draw national attention throughout the season.

If the Orioles offered a package like that the Mets would laugh at the Orioles. Trying to trade spare parts isn't going to work. While both might be partial salary dumps, they are still substantial players.

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Can you or someone else explain to me why Lee deserves TOR SP status? Yes, he was phenomenal in the playoffs (until the WS, anyway...), but he's only had one truly stellar season. Plus, he really wasn't even that great for the Rangers before the AL playoffs rolled around...

I guess I just take issue with the phrase "Lee lite." Lee's career has been anything but consistent(ly great). IMO, Matusz stands a chance of being a lot better.

I agree with this sentiment. Lee is good but isn't consistent.

I almost hope the Yankees sign Lee so the Rangers don't shoot themselves in the foot.

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