Are there people on OH you feel could do a better job than AM or other members of the O's brass?

[Satyr3206]

Since some say a person can't advance quickly I suggest you look at Dwight Eisenhower. From a Colonel to 5 Star General in about 4 years. That worked out pretty well.

[LookitsPuck]

I agree with you. It's not rocket science. It requires a person that has a passion for baseball and winning, that will put in the hours it takes to make the Franchise a winner. Hiring assistants in whatever field isn't difficult, it just requires sound judgement. Something this Franchise has lacked for years.

Hiring the right assistants, going through red tape, being vocal, having accountability both at your level and below, properly organizing resources and making sure those resources are performing optimally, just to say a few. You also need to know the industry.

[El Gordo]

EH, I disagree...Yes, you would have to do it on a different level but the basics are the same.

What you don't get, and immediately disqualifies you or anyone else here, is that you don't have the credentials, or connections with other GM's nor the MLB establishment, to function effectively as a GM. You would need several years to develop them.You are overlooking the political nature of the job that Stotle alluded to. Who here could get invited to dinner with PA, let alone be offered a job by him. That's the reality. Some rich powerful politcally connected guy would have to be impressed with you, your resume, and recommendations. Who here has any of that.

[Satyr3206]

What you don't get, and immediately disqualifies you or anyone else here, is that you don't have the credentials, or connections with other GM's nor the MLB establishment, to function effectively as a GM. You would need several years to develop them.You are overlooking the political nature of the job that Stotle alluded to. Who here could get invited to dinner with PA, let alone be offered a job by him. That's the reality. Some rich powerful politcally connected guy would have to be impressed with you, your resume, and recommendations. Who here has any of that.

First, I wouldn't go to dinner with the man that has presided over 14 terrible seasons and doesn't seem to care. Second, a lack of contacts doesn't mean you aren't qualified.

[Stotle]

What you don't get, and immediately disqualifies you or anyone else here, is that you don't have the credentials, or connections with other GM's nor the MLB establishment, to function effectively as a GM. You would need several years to develop them.You are overlooking the political nature of the job that Stotle alluded to. Who here could get invited to dinner with PA, let alone be offered a job by him. That's the reality. Some rich powerful politcally connected guy would have to be impressed with you, your resume, and recommendations. Who here has any of that.

Eh, I have connections through my law firm to a number of MLB teams. My former firm had a partner married to an owner of a team. I wouldn't assume that no one could possibly have connections to baseball. Even with those connections, however, you still need to prove yourself. And again I think it is difficult to picture someone with all the pieces needed.

Another point -- if you don't have a strong familiarity with the industry, and all of the major players, how are you going to hire a staff? Who are you consulting with? I just think it's far fetched to think someone without not insignificant experience in the industry is going to walk into a GM position and be able to function.

[CA-ORIOLE]

What you don't get, and immediately disqualifies you or anyone else here, is that you don't have the credentials, or connections with other GM's nor the MLB establishment, to function effectively as a GM. You would need several years to develop them.You are overlooking the political nature of the job that Stotle alluded to. Who here could get invited to dinner with PA, let alone be offered a job by him. That's the reality. Some rich powerful politcally connected guy would have to be impressed with you, your resume, and recommendations. Who here has any of that.

I think everyone understands that. The point was could someone on here do the job if given the opportunity.

[Sports Guy]

What you don't get, and immediately disqualifies you or anyone else here, is that you don't have the credentials, or connections with other GM's nor the MLB establishment, to function effectively as a GM. You would need several years to develop them.You are overlooking the political nature of the job that Stotle alluded to. Who here could get invited to dinner with PA, let alone be offered a job by him. That's the reality. Some rich powerful politcally connected guy would have to be impressed with you, your resume, and recommendations. Who here has any of that.

Ok, first of all, the basis for this hypothetical is that you get hired...I think we all agree that we aren't getting a call from the Orioles tomorrow to interview anyone for the GM job. So, let's get that out of the way for a moment.

In terms of the connections, there is some validity to that I guess but I don't see it being some monster obstacle.

Let's say I was hired tomorrow to be the GM...If that were to happen, I would look to trade JJ, Hardy, Koji, Guthrie, Jones and Vlad by July 31.

I would make sure I let other teams know this and begin the process. I may not have connections but if I have what the other team wants, they will be talking to me.

Now, to get back to what I believe you are getting at, will that GM and other team respect you? Will they take you seriously?

Well, maybe not....maybe they would be pissed that you didn't pay your dues the way they did and things like that. I think you have to say that not only is that possible but it is likely, at least with some GMs.

However, you have to have the ability to sell both yourself and your players on the other team. You have to show them that you won't be a pushover.

[El Gordo]

Eh, I have connections through my law firm to a number of MLB teams. My former firm had a partner married to an owner of a team. I wouldn't assume that no one could possibly have connections to baseball. Even with those connections, however, you still need to prove yourself. And again I think it is difficult to picture someone with all the pieces needed.

Another point -- if you don't have a strong familiarity with the industry, and all of the major players, how are you going to hire a staff? Who are you consulting with? I just think it's far fetched to think someone without not insignificant experience in the industry is going to walk into a GM position and be able to function.

This is exactly what I mean by the politics of the job. You have to know people in the industry and be trusted by them to do the job. Do you feel your connections afford you that level of familiarity?

[El Gordo]

I think everyone understands that. The point was could someone on here do the job if given the opportunity.

They wouldn't get tthe opportunity, and there is a good reason fore that. They don't have the qualifications.

[CA-ORIOLE]

I may not have connections.....

Right, then hire an assistant GM. What's more important the puppet or the guy pulling the strings?

[Satyr3206]

This is exactly what I mean by the politics of the job. You have to know people in the industry and be trusted by them to do the job. Do you feel your connections afford you that level of familiarity?

And this has worked out for the Orioles how? Based on MacPhail's connections?

[CA-ORIOLE]

They wouldn't get the opportunity, and there is a good reason fore that. They don't have the qualifications.

I'd argue that there are some on here who do have the qualifications/knowledge. Not being able to get the opportunity isn't the point. It's a hypothetical question.

[BarclaySouthway]

What you don't get, and immediately disqualifies you or anyone else here, is that you don't have the credentials, or connections with other GM's nor the MLB establishment, to function effectively as a GM. You would need several years to develop them.You are overlooking the political nature of the job that Stotle alluded to. Who here could get invited to dinner with PA, let alone be offered a job by him. That's the reality. Some rich powerful politcally connected guy would have to be impressed with you, your resume, and recommendations. Who here has any of that.

So nobody here could get hired to do the job? Why even ask the question then?

Of course no one could step in and do the job tomorrow. Andy McPhail would suck at my job if he started tomorrow. Regardless, the situation is an organization-wide failure. I would assign more blame on staff that has been here longer than 4 years.

Could a consortium of the OH's best and brightest (should jobs suddenly fall in their laps, and they magically attain a few years in the organization) be an integral part of an O's front office? And could that team beat the franchise's current average over the last 10+ years of 69 wins per season?

Of course. OBVIOUSLY they could. There's a very good chance they could do better than that.

Not so much because of the brilliance of Hangouters (though there's that), but because of the utter ineptitute of the organization over that time period.

[El Gordo]

I'd argue that there are some on here do have the qualifications/knowledge. Not being able to get the opportunity isn't the point. It's a hypothetical question.

How many here are on good speaking terms with all the MLB GM's? How many here have PA confidence or could develop it quickly enough to be effective. How well can you do business with someone you've never met and who never heard of you. The job is more about the politics of baseball, than it is the ability to read scouting reports on line, or look up stats on fangraphs.

[OFFNY]

So nobody here could get hired to do the job ? Why even ask the question then ?

Not that I want to make a habit of taking up for EL GORDO, but he wasn't the one that asked the question in the first place. CHAOS LEX did.