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Deal with Cards in the works? (Ambiguous Tweet from STL Beat Writer 2012)

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@Karmaloop,

Why did they just trade for Eveland and then sign left-handed free agents Wada and Chen from Asia? Why do they reportedly have a 3-year offer out to Edwin Jackson when they have about 12 potential starters for 5 spots, and in lieu of getting Jackson would trade for Westbrook? I don't know. That's just the way they are.

Probably to add more arms to their team. Remember, you can never have too many arms. More often than not, teams end up short an arm or two and have to make a trade. Right now, only Jeremy Guthrie, Zach Britton, and Jake Arrieta appear to be locks. After that, there are two opens spot in the rotation. And the bullpen will likely be revamped. Even if the Orioles were to consider Matusz the odd man out of the rotation, why would they opt to trade him now? Let him go through ST, see if he's one of your best five starters, and if he isn't some is going to give them more than Westbrook or McClellan. LIS earlier, it's at best a lateral trade for them before factoring in contract or age. It makes absolutely NO sense for them to even think about this deal.

Either way, I feel like this argument is moot given that it is Strauss that tweeted it.

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http://gatewayredbirds.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=48580

Tom_Brunansky wrote:

Just kinda brainstorming, but I wonder if a straight Westbrook for Roberts swap would work. Westbrook is set to make 8.5M (plus a 1M buyout) this year and Roberts is making 10M each of the next 2 years. Roberts has his issues, but if healthy, he's a serious upgrade over Schu/Descalso/Greene at 2B. That's a net increase of $10.5M for the next 2 years, which is probably about what you would pay for a high-risk/high-upside 2B on the free agent market. Saves the O's some money and gives the Cards a potential difference maker at a weak position. Plus, he'd be a nice bridge to Wong.

Didn't Brian Roberts just get ripped for not attending the Orioles winter fanfest becasue of concussion related issues?

Roberts is turning 34 and has been in a steady decline since the 2007 season. I don't know if you remember, but that was only one season removed from when we won the first 21stcent world series. That's a long time to have a decline on the books, and he's only played in 59 and 39 games the last two seasons. If healthy he's probably worth about 2.5 Wins, but that's a big if. Descalso you're probably looking at 1.8 or so. If you can get Roberts and Cash to offset the contracts, I say you make the trade, but straight up and with Roberts signed for another season at $10 for an age 35 season... it's too much risk.

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More talent than Shelby Miller? Good luck.

Yeah, Miller is great, and he'd be the start, but they don't have anything else to put with him. If Wong was eligible I'd say Miller and Wong and a lower guy, but remember they are still just prospects, Jones is a proven CF commodity not even in his prime yet.

My picks to call and who is required would be SF: Belt, WAS: Rendon, SD: Alonso but none of them will happen for various reasons. I really am starting to think WAS took Rendon with the full intent of trading him for a ML piece to help them make the jump to contender though.

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What about Guthrie?

Could Guthrie be going over?

The Cards have a couple older-type prospect in AAA, high OBP second baseman. Guthrie for one of those + some other AA prospects?

I had STL at the top of my list for teams to call about Guthrie, he'd put up great numbers there...all-star level I'd be willing to bet. The problem is we don't match up with them well. Outside of Miller and Wong they have nothing that interests me much. SD would have been another spot but the Latos trade nixed that. They gave up too much that I would have wanted, and are now in full on rebuild mode not looking to add veteran starters.

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I had STL at the top of my list for teams to call about Guthrie, he'd put up great numbers there...all-star level I'd be willing to bet. The problem is we don't match up with them well. Outside of Miller and Wong they have nothing that interests me much. SD would have been another spot but the Latos trade nixed that. They gave up too much that I would have wanted, and are now in full on rebuild mode not looking to add veteran starters.

I don't think they are in full rebuild mode. They are in the NL Central, no one is ever in rebuild in a division where 85 wins gives you a legit shot at winning the division. I skimmed through the Redbirds' roster this morning and saw two older (27,28) guys that play second base and have a nice high OBP throughout the minors. One of those guys plus some higher-end younger pitching prospects would be good.

It would be an unusual trade, but I think it is something that could work.

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