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mark_beckens Major Leaguer Rising Star

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I'm out. I'm done. Keep your computer on. I never meant to imply that it isn't a team game. I think I've said what I wanted to say clearly enough.

I think this subject is like politics. No matter what you say, how well you argue your case, you're not going to change the other sides minds.

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24fps Hangout Grand Counsel

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Well, I will. Anyone giving Brian Roberts any where near $10 million dollars next year from this organization should be shot.

Not one dollar over $3 million.

Not one dollar over a handshake and a gold watch.

It's a tough hand BRob was dealt in many respects, but it's time the organization moved on IMO.

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I thought we've already debunked the theory that Johnson is the main culprit. Unless we're talking about draft picks ;) I totally disagree that it's better to lose more of the remaining games.

Making some upgrades has always been dependent upon the checkbook of the principal owner. In that regard, I do not think he is influenced by the won-loss record as we have observed during 1998-2011. When you're one game from the ALCS, and the biggest expenditures made in the offseason are for arbitration and other increases for your existing roster, that should tell you what you need to know.

I wouldn't hold out a lot of hope that after all these years he'll finally change and pay for significant upgrades.

Exactly. We know what we need to make this team a contender instead of a competitor. But it will either cost 30M or so, or we will have to wait hope and pray that before we die we will develop it "in house." We sure ain't gonna spend the money, so we just have to wait hope and pray.
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Not one dollar over a handshake and a gold watch.

It's a tough hand BRob was dealt in many respects, but it's time the organization moved on IMO.

Tough hand? I see hundreds, if not thousands, of people who get terminal illnesses, lose their jobs, their families, their homes, etc. Pardon me if 40 million dollars, a beautiful wife and child, a complete recovery from injury, and being a bright young man in his 30s is something that might in any way be seen as a tough hand because he is not given even more millions next year to play a game.

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If we're going to miss the playoffs, I'd almost rather be an 85 win team than an 89 win team. It's pretty obvious that the team needs to make some upgrades to be a true World Series contender, and we can't delude ourselves into thinking that if Jim Johnson had only had a better year, we might have gone a long way this year.

There is not benefit to be being worse.

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If we're going to miss the playoffs, I'd almost rather be an 85 win team than an 89 win team. It's pretty obvious that the team needs to make some upgrades to be a true World Series contender, and we can't delude ourselves into thinking that if Jim Johnson had only had a better year, we might have gone a long way this year.

I still go back to Tex. I know we hate him now, but had the Orioles not swept a meaningless series to close out the year before Tex was drafted, he would have been an Oriole. We would have had him, there would have been no Tex threads every year, and the story of how he was a Mattingly fan and always wanted to be a Yankee would never have been invented.

So yeah, IF we are out of it late, there may be some benefit to having a higher draft spot.

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So yeah, IF we are out of it late, there may be some benefit to having a higher draft spot.
If 85 wins is the benchmark, there are already 14 teams that won't get there. Therefore, even with a total collapse at the end, the Orioles will draft in the middle of the first round, or lower.
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If 85 wins is the benchmark, there are already 14 teams that won't get there. Therefore, even with a total collapse at the end, the Orioles will draft in the middle of the first round, or lower.

Yeah. Play hard. Win as many as you can. Chips fall where they may.

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QUOTE=wildcard;3286595]At the moment Roberts is the best 2B the O's have. He will probably be back next year on a one year contract while the O's wait for Schoop to be ready. I think the offer will be low but one Roberts will take.I agree. Roberts want's stay an O and play for a winner, maybe make it to the WS. That won't happen next year but there's at least a chance. He doesn't need, or care about the money IMO. And who is going to offer him much anyway.[

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At the moment Roberts is the best 2B the O's have. He will probably be back next year on a one year contract while the O's wait for Schoop to be ready. I think the offer will be low but one Roberts will take.
I agree. Roberts want's to stay an O and play for a winner, maybe make it to the WS. That won't happen next year but there's at least a chance. He doesn't need, or care about the money IMO. And who is going to offer him much anyway.
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