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I believe that the 4.5 appeared to be an overpay. I do not think that the Rangers should be faulted, or Koji besmirched, because he was not offered a 13.8 million dollar qualifying offer.

Besmirched: to cause harm or damage to (the reputation of someone or something)

Koji has the reputation of often being injured. Is that besmirching or is that just facts?

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Yankees are worth 3 times as much. 3 times. How do you compete with that.
Like Tampa does.

And/or like the Orioles have the past 2 seasons.

Weams' (general) point is a good one though, and has been brought up many times in numerous different threads.

OOOOOYes, it's possible for the Athletics of the world, the Rays of the world, and the Orioles of the world to compete with a team whose payroll has been in excess of $200 Million for more than a decade. But it takes a hell of a lot more legwork on the part of these mid-market (the Orioles) and small-market (the Athletics and the Rays) teams to do so ...... unlike the Yankees, who have an all-reward/no risk situation whilst they keep spending more and more money. If the high-priced players that they throw money at (free agents and otherwise) works out, great ....... but even if they are busts and/or don't play up to the level of what they expected from them when they signed those huge contracts, the Yankees don't miss a beat. If the smaller market or even the mid-market teams go all in on several high-priced free agents that don't work out, they will likely be financially hamstrung for several years ...... unlike the Yankees, who are NEVER financially hamstrung, regardless of how much money they piss away on free agents (Alex Rodriguez, Jason Giambi, Carl Pavano, Randy Johnson) and/or their own overpaid players (Derek Jeter, Andy Pettitte, etc.)

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Besmirched: to cause harm or damage to (the reputation of someone or something)

Koji has the reputation of often being injured. Is that besmirching or is that just facts?

You are right. But Koji was healthy this year. He put up 3.6 WAR! Tommy Hunter only put up 2.

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Like Tampa does.

How many rings they got? Or the Beane As?

Seriously, I get what finishing last for ten years and trading all your good young players for new prospects over a decade will do for an organization. I am not interested in enduring that. We blew the way we handled our 14 years of awfulness. I get it.

Having a team that operates at three times the value of the sixth best team is insane. MLB need to move the Giants and Dodgers back. And put both those Florida teams in Connecticut and Massachusetts.

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Good. I wouldn't want to be besmirching anyone.

I never accused you of the besmirch. I said that the Rangers did not undervalue Koji because they did not offer him 13.8 million and that Koji was not besmirched by not having that value among teams shopping for good right-handed middle relieves that are fragile.

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How many rings they got? Or the Beane As?

Seriously, I get what finishing last for ten years and trading all your good young players for new prospects over a decade will do for an organization. I am not interested in enduring that. We blew the way we handled our 14 years of awfulness. I get it.

Having a team that operates at three times the value of the sixth best team is insane. MLB need to move the Giants and Dodgers back. And put both those Florida teams in Connecticut and Massachusetts.

The Mets are in Queens (right next to Brooklyn), so moving the Giants back to northern Manhattan (right across the bridge from the Yankees in the south Bronx) would probably be more advantageous to us than would moving the Dodgers back to Brooklyn. ;)

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Having a team that operates at three times the value of the sixth best team is insane. MLB need to move the Giants and Dodgers back. And put both those Florida teams in Connecticut and Massachusetts.

I agree that the solution is on the revenue side, and that it would be far better for MLB as a whole if the Giants and Dodgers had never left and the Mets were still awarded to NY and there were teams in northern NJ and Hartford. But that didn't happen, and if somehow you could waive a magic wand and make it happen it would be years before significant amounts of the Yanks revenues were eroded away. Like 30 million people have been Yanks fans their whole lives, and many/most of them had parents and grandparents and even great-grandparents who were Yanks fans. You're not changing that overnight, especially when the Yanks never lose and have been strong contenders about 90 of the last 100 years.

Cutting into the Yanks' revenues (and the Sox for that matter) with new teams is a) very unlikely as the Yanks would fight it to the death, probably even to the point of suing MLB, and b) would take several generations to have the intended effect.

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I agree that the solution is on the revenue side, and that it would be far better for MLB as a whole if the Giants and Dodgers had never left and the Mets were still awarded to NY and there were teams in northern NJ and Hartford. But that didn't happen, and if somehow you could waive a magic wand and make it happen it would be years before significant amounts of the Yanks revenues were eroded away. Like 30 million people have been Yanks fans their whole lives, and many/most of them had parents and grandparents and even great-grandparents who were Yanks fans. You're not changing that overnight, especially when the Yanks never lose and have been strong contenders about 90 of the last 100 years.

Cutting into the Yanks' revenues (and the Sox for that matter) with new teams is a) very unlikely as the Yanks would fight it to the death, probably even to the point of suing MLB, and b) would take several generations to have the intended effect.

They made us take the Expos. I want it to happen nonetheless.

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They made us take the Expos. I want it to happen nonetheless.

We don't have 45 minute segments on SportsCenter about what our third base coach eats for brunch.

I agree it would be great. But it ain't happening. I wouldn't be surprised if Northern NJ or maybe Connecticut or Long Island got a single team sometime in my lifetime. But that's about as far as I'd go. MLB thinks having a team worth $3B competing against teams worth several hundred $million is a feature, not a bug.

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We don't have 45 minute segments on SportsCenter about what our third base coach eats for brunch.

I agree it would be great. But it ain't happening. I wouldn't be surprised if Northern NJ or maybe Connecticut or Long Island got a single team sometime in my lifetime. But that's about as far as I'd go. MLB thinks having a team worth $3B competing against teams worth several hundred $million is a feature, not a bug.

I guess. What does he eat for brunch. And do any Orioles EAT brunch? Or fans?

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Explain this to me so I understand. Teach me how to Dougie.

I wish I could, but the more I look at the numbers, the more gaps in the data I find. For example, total revenues does not equal the sum of the subcategories listed such as gate receipts, concessions...etc. Does this mean there are other revenue sources not listed? It would seem that way, but the problem is here are the other revenue sources needed to get to the total revenue figure listed: BAL +$44M; BOS +$66M, NYY +$10M; TBR +$61M; TOR +$80M. Which of these things don't belong? NYY +$10M? Less "other revenue sources" than the other teams in the division by far? No chance.

Below are the total revenues from Bloomberg and the opening day payroll figures per Deadspin. Now if you take revenues - less payroll - less other expenses = net profit/loss. Once again, we run into a problem because look at the "other expenses" for each team to get to Bloomberg's net gain/loss

CAT	BAL	BOS	NYY	TBR	TORrev.	210.0	405.0	570.0	175.0	220.0pay$	91.8	159.0	229.0	57.0	118.2O.E.	98.2	302.0	438.0	89.0	89.8net	20.0	-56.0	-97.0	29.0	12.0

What "other expenses" besides payroll would Boston and NY have that dwarf the rest of the division? Boston saved a bunch of money on shaving cream, after all :D The bottom line is Bloomberg is giving us a really incomplete picture, but that's to be expected I guess until a team opens up its books to the public. Yeah, that'll happen. I think several years ago, Flanagan gave some "off the record" financial data to a small select group of OHers over dinner. I wasn't invited - big mistake ;) If the OH management wants to set up something with Duquette, I'm there.

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I wish I could, but the more I look at the numbers, the more gaps in the data I find. For example, total revenues does not equal the sum of the subcategories listed such as gate receipts, concessions...etc. Does this mean there are other revenue sources not listed? It would seem that way, but the problem is here are the other revenue sources needed to get to the total revenue figure listed: BAL +$44M; BOS +$66M, NYY +$10M; TBR +$61M; TOR +$80M. Which of these things don't belong? NYY +$10M? Less "other revenue sources" than the other teams in the division by far? No chance.

Below are the total revenues from Bloomberg and the opening day payroll figures per Deadspin. Now if you take revenues - less payroll - less other expenses = net profit/loss. Once again, we run into a problem because look at the "other expenses" for each team to get to Bloomberg's net gain/loss

CAT	BAL	BOS	NYY	TBR	TORrev.	210.0	405.0	570.0	175.0	220.0pay$	91.8	159.0	229.0	57.0	118.2O.E.	98.2	302.0	438.0	89.0	89.8net	20.0	-56.0	-97.0	29.0	12.0

What "other expenses" besides payroll would Boston and NY have that dwarf the rest of the division? Boston saved a bunch of money on shaving cream, after all :D The bottom line is Bloomberg is giving us a really incomplete picture, but that's to be expected I guess until a team opens up its books to the public. Yeah, that'll happen. I think several years ago, Flanagan gave some "off the record" financial data to a small select group of OHers over dinner. I wasn't invited - big mistake ;) If the OH management wants to set up something with Duquette, I'm there.

Thanks for trying. I sure did not understand it. I am certain Boston sends it's revenue through a UK laundromat. The Yankees? No idea. NY. NY. The city so nice, it's made of vice.

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I never accused you of the besmirch. I said that the Rangers did not undervalue Koji because they did not offer him 13.8 million and that Koji was not besmirched by not having that value among teams shopping for good right-handed middle relieves that are fragile.

Wait a minute! Has someone been telling you life is supposed to be fair?

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