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Cardinals shopping Miller or Lynn for a SS. Would you trade Hardy for Miller or Lynn?


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Your are going to need to trade a star type player to land Miller.

It just ain't happening. Move on.

Hardy is a star, multiple All Stars and Golden Gloves and a Silver Slugger. He is one of the top SS in the game today. Her can take a team to the next level. He is the type of player a team acquires just to bump them into the WS.

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That's a lot for the Cardinals to give up for one year of Hardy and a pitcher who has a ceiling of a #3 starter and hasn't even proven himself in AAA yet. If I'm the Cardinals I'm looking at keeping Miller and looking at another way of getting a SS.
Exactly. Why wouldn't they just offer Drew 3/30M. He is and upgrade with the bat and a good defensive SS. Hardy's better but it's just one year.
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Man, way to steal my thread from two weeks ago OP. My trade was Hardy and Britton for Lynn and Freese. We wouldn't get any of the big STL arms but we could get Lynn and maybe Carlos Martinez.

Machado needs to be playing SS. We have him for 5 more year and need to max out that potential.

But back to the OP, great original idea.

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Man, way to steal my thread from two weeks ago OP. My trade was Hardy and Britton for Lynn and Freese. We wouldn't get any of the big STL arms but we could get Lynn and maybe Carlos Martinez.

Machado needs to be playing SS. We have him for 5 more year and need to max out that potential.

But back to the OP, great original idea.

I like Miller a lot better than Lynn.

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MLBTR has Drew signing with the Mets in their Top 50 Free Agent signings. Beating out the Cards and Pirates. So Drew signing with the Cards is a possible scenario, butthere is competition. Maybe acquiring Hardy would be a backup plan for the Cards.

Drew is after 4/48

Hardy is the superior player.

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I agree that Drew will probably get 10+ for 3-4 years. I agree that Hardy is better. However, Hardy is only signed for one year, so if the Cardinals traded for him doesn't an extension cost them about the same that they'll be paying Drew? Plus, according to WAR Hardy was 3.7 last year and Drew, who is one year younger, was 3.1. Is that enough of an upgrade to trade a 23 year old pitcher, one of the top pitching prospects in baseball, who had a very solid first year? I think it's ridiculous.

Imagine if Kevin Gausman had the same kind of year next year and it was suggested to trade him for a 31 year old player with one year left on his contract, and we'd have to extend him to a FA type contract to extend him.

Agree with all this. St. Louis didn't get to be a perennial contender by making dumb moves. The only way they will trade Miller is for a young SS that will be around more than 1 season.

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After reading this full thread, I have to say I was amused that someone suggested that anyone would even ask us for Machado. Currently he's one of the few untradable players in baseball.

Regarding Hardy, I'm happy we have him, but at the same time, I love our flexibility with him in that we can extend him, yet could trade him for much needed pitching if we had to. I think it's worth letting him go and taking a small defensive/offensive hit if he can help us establish a dominant rotation the next few seasons. :scratchchinhmm:

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Hardy gets traded and Machado does not get back as soon as thought. Infield of Valencia,Flaherty and ???? Not a very impressive infield.

And then Machado comes back a few weeks later and the O's have Miller for five seasons.

You have to keep the long view in mind even as you try and win today.

Unless you want to look like the Phillies the last couple of years.

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Hardy is a star, multiple All Stars and Golden Gloves and a Silver Slugger. He is one of the top SS in the game today. Her can take a team to the next level. He is the type of player a team acquires just to bump them into the WS.

That's true. I would think Hardys bat would be more valuable in the NL.

I am not a Hardy hater or fan, just think if the option is out there... they should entertain some offers.

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For those of you against trading anyone with value, how do you expect the team to improve? If you won't trade any current players with value and the team won't spend a lot in free agency, what then? Just come back with the same team again and watch the same result? The team as currently constructed is unlikely to win and our core isn't young and cheap(ish) forever. The farm system doesn't have much to offer in MLB ready talent. While J.J. had a good year and has been solid for the Orioles, he's not a lock to a be a great player. He had a down year as recently as 2012. He's 31, he's got one year left on his deal, we already have his future replacement, and he has a skillset that is very volatile. I don't see how some people don't recognize the incentive to entertain offers.

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